[SRK Guitarists and Bassists 2.0]

Sounds like a record scratching. Move aside, Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park… Metallica’s on your ass!

*…And Justice For All *was a fluke. i’m sure of it. tone wise, it’s so different than all of their other stuff. it’s the only album i like from start to finish. all other Metallica albums are unlistenable to me except which ever album had the song “Sad But True,” but even then, just that song. why yes, i DO blaspheme :cool:

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Tone-wise, they allocated so much bass to the rhythm guitars that the drums and actual bass are thin by comparison.

The only Metallica album I really like is Kill 'Em All, which is them at their punkiest and least unintentionally funny.

yeah Metallica is pretty lame overall imo. many riffs that are “staples” of old school metal (slow palm muting with an equally slow driving beat, slowly descending chromatically during a chorus, etc. basically Seek and Destroy) doesn’t really interest me. maybe it’s because i was raised on many different styles of music? i don’t know why i can’t enjoy stuff like other people can. :xeye: :rofl:

So brown sound is mid-bassy right? When I watch the EQ after I record something its always in that range.

Metallica are a great band. Good song writers. With every Metallica album there is a change in tone. My 2 favorite are Master Of Puppets and And Justice For All. I like MOP because their tone there was so… distortionay compared to their last albums. The true metal distortion sound. AJFA is just pure awesome. Much more bassier aggressive rhythm guitar which I’ve very found of.

I maybe weird, but I like a bassy-middy rhythm tone. I don’t like to scoop all the mids out. With lead tone I like a warmer sound, with lots of mids and bass.

Oh and in AJFA there is no bass guitar at all recorded on that album. And I don’t think that AJFA was a fluke… they were dealing with Cliff’s death so all the songs on that album came out as the world is fucked and everyone is against you and such and such because I guess thats how they were dealing with it?

yes, there was bass recorded on the album. It was just not mixed well.

I’m a bass player, add me to the list!

Proud owner of a Geddy Lee Jazz Bass and proud Rush fan.

Though SFIV has driven me away from my now former pastime.

I’ve listened to the album many many times. I hear no trace of bass. If you cannot hear it, how can you assume that it exists? Its been documented that they removed the bass off of the album. Speculation is that they were doing it to honor Cliff, or just to fuck up Jason cause they always fucked with him.

Uh, sure, whatever you say.

They mixed him out to fuck with him. It was basically his inaugural “congrats on being in the band now” prank. It is there, though. If you play “One” in Guitar Hero 3, you’ll hear it.

Never really heard the song on the game at proper levels to tell the difference. I thought that with guitar hero and rockband it was a cover band doing all the music and they just super impose the singing? I know they’ve re-mixed songs… like how Death Magnetic is at regular volume compared to the CD’s volume. But as far as I can hear, even in my friend’s car with 2 12 inch subs (very hard to hide the bass there), I can’t hear any bass. It could be in there… but I can’t hear it.

Check this out:
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/BlabberMouth.Net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=108130

Interesting. I still think they did it to spite him! lol

I can imagine them trying to promote “…And Justice For All”

"Yeah we have a bass player. His name is Jason. No, we don’t know his last name, we just wanted a bass player. Yeah, we tried to pretend he was Cliff. No, he’s not as good. It’s cool though, I mean, we have ‘To Live is to Die.’ No, Cliff didn’t really play on any of the songs. But hey, Jason is good. No, we’re all starting to drink more and more every night. Alcoholica? Yeah that’s funny. Did you know we almost named ‘Kill em All,’ ‘Metal Up Your Ass?’ Cliff thought that was funny…

So would it be possible to pay some sort of witch and get Cliff back?"

R.I.P. Mr. Cliff Burton.

Definitely middy, not so much on the bassy. One thing you might notice on the VH albums is that until he switched to Soldanos and 5150s, his sound wasn’t very bassy at all, and got less so with each album. I attribute the thicker bottom end in the '90s to his use of more contemporary amp technology.

I think a general tone-chasing mistake, not just related to brown sound, is that a lot of guitarists throw in too much bass when they’re trying to nail a guitar sound from an album they like. It’s an easy mistake to make because you rarely hear an electric guitar by itself. It’s usually got bass frequencies from other instruments (bass guitar, toms, bass drums, keyboards) going on underneath, which fills in the bottom end.

The more bass you lump onto a guitar sound, the less room there is in the mix for the instruments that are naturally within that range. It is my opinion that the guitar sound needs only enough bass to fill it out and give it body, and any more than that is too much.

On a tangential note, it’s very hard to deal with the “scooped mids, high distortion” sound when mixing a recording or in a live situation, because the guitar naturally occupies the midrange of a sound mix. When you take out the mids and emphasize the other frequencies, it’s leaving its own territory and encroaching on the territory that’s occupied by the other instruments. Something has to give, and on AJFA, it was the bass drums and the bass guitar.

Dude, you’re smart. You know… I think I’ve been using too much bass in my EQ, especially when I turn my tube amp up above 6 or 7, it gets really thumpy. I’m probably going to turn the bass down now.

Yeah… I agree that the guitar wants to occupy the midrange of the mix. With my amp, there are huge differences in midrange even within just 1 intervals in the eq.

So I just recently got into the guitar. I pulled out my mom’s Martin 00CXAE. It has this thing of dials (Brilliance, Treble, Middle, Bass, Volume) on the side. It pops out and has a place for a 9 volt battery. I pop in the battery, but nothing happens. There doesn’t seem to be an on/off switch, and I can’t find anywhere an amp would plug in.

Anyone know how to turn that shit on?

Obviously there’s somewhere to plug it in. Have you checked the bottom of the guitar, near the back?

I checked it over like a well-endowed brunette at the beach. I just can’t find where the thing would plug in.

Edit: As with well-endowed brunettes, I didn’t turn them upside-down and look down their holes on the first couple dates. The jack for an amp is actually inside the little nub you hook a strap around on the bottom.

So I’m doing an arrangement of the Simpsons theme for two guitars and bass, with the intention of taking it into next band practice. God damn, this tune is less than two minutes long, but it’s dense. For the most part, it changes keys and orchestration every four bars.

My goal is to do a rock-y version of it, rather than do it as a faithful note-for-note shred exhibition, so the string bukkake stuff is probably out in favor of guitar-oriented licks. But I’m keeping the sax solo.

So I’ve recently begun splitting time with a classical/Spanish guitar. But have there actually been any famous songs/guitarists that use them? All I’ve been able to find from looking around/googling/youtubing/wiki’ing is that they seem to be either [media=youtube]5Ivi8qWun7Y"]melody fodder for mariachi bands, a poor man’s piano or [URL=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J46eGwqzrxk&feature=related”[/media]. Has there been any bold pioneer of the instrument or am I going to have to do it myself?

Also, RIP Les Paul.

Hey guys, didn’t even know this thread existed until today, haha.

I’ve been playing guitar for about a year and some change, but I only got real serious within the past month and a half, so I think some bad habits are kicking in.

First is my picking. I have sweaty hands so sometimes I lost the proper grip, but I was wonder, I bunch my pointer finger pointing inward and my thumb lays above the pick, could it be that? I’ve tried different ways, like my finger pretty much at a 90 degree angle, pointing at the guitar and my thumb over the pick, but it feels a bit odd, tips anyone?

Second is my fretting, especially while switching strings in a solo. I’m sure this is common, you let go of one string and it rings out so goddamn loud. I try to lightly let go, or just mute it with a finger, but sometimes it just gets retarded. Any help with that?