yeah… i never complain about people running away. Once you’re in the corner against gief or hugo… smash and bash time
I really don’t think extending the clock at all will do anything to make zoning better, nor will it resolve the supposed “time out” issue. The nerf to recoverable life and the nerf to boost chains will do that already
Also don’t think zoning will be worse in the update as-is, save for a couple of characters (Akuma and Raven of course are the two that come to mind), in which case I agree that Capcom overdid it in regards to those characters. But again, it’s really, really hard to tell without going hands-on with the update.
We’ll see overall, I guess. Hopefully they manage to balance things out correctly - it worked out well for AE2012, after all.
Seriously, I fear Hugo in the corner. Two wrong guesses = GGs, even at full life considering who I tend to play lol.
XBL: cannabiscureall ill be on today
i know akumas “nerfs” dont play to your style must not be able to tk fireballs. but the patch buffs him more than anything clearly capcom wants u to stop jumping back fireball all game then roll teleport into more jumpback fireballs without even thinking about height or recovery
and all i want new players to know is their is a big difference in zoning , footsies , and playing like a bitch because you spent no time coming up with setups. even the best turtles know how and when to explode. sim is probably my fave matchup trying to wade in and catch his limbs… you know what makes me want to cry? seeing 70% of akumas to scared to do a forward demon flip or link lp/lk into hp
capcoms main message is pick more chars and stop playing like a bitch. sure a couple changes are crazy but RYU AND AKUMA cammy and juri VEGA all got what they had coming. in the end ull just have to play differently cry about it.
Yeah that shit was pretty damn annoying.
You could try. Noriega should try too. The Bear likes giving people hugs. Especially Cannibus’
Oh do come along now.
Yes, I know how to TK fireball. But its used more for cross-ups than runaway, so what are you trying to prove? There’s no way the patch is an overall buff. He got extra damage on some moves, sure, but his DP tag is nothing now and his teleport is worse. So is his fireball. And this is WITH the fact that he still has low health. We’ll see how much the system changes help him out, but I’m reserving judgment 'til then. Once again, there is no such thing as playing like a bitch. This is exactly the kind of attitude that misrepresents this game completely. Its a legitimate defensive tactic. Always has been, always will be. You’d probably commit suicide if you played any old SF games or the new Mortal Kombat.
Capcom’s actual main message is, “We* think* this is what you want, so have it.” They only made this patch because people–like you, for example–think that runaway is too strong. Its really not that strong, every character can get in eventually, its just a matter of when. And lastly, there’s a difference between “crying” and constructive criticism. Changes do not occur if people acquiesce. This patch is proof of that.
Actually, Soul Calibur has a very well developed zoning game because of different weapons of different speeds and lengths. I really loved the SC series before it turned into just another combo party. Apparently, combos = hype these days.
Sure there is, what do you think, that people sit there saying “This guy’s lack of tactical aggression in any form disheartens me to a significant degree”…?
I had a 10K player call my Guy a bitch because “You bitch rushdownz to much, I can’t even attack.” Do I feel the need to justify rushdown attacks being a legitimate tactic cuz someone criticized it? Not really…
No shit, but the lengths you’re going to make people try and respect it is getting a little amusing. What do you want people to say, I respect your ability to be a coward? It’s like using Akuma in ST, sure you can do it, but don’t be surprised if everything thinks you’re a dick for doing so. Why even worry about it?..unless that criticism hits too close to home?
I quit playing this game actively in May… But since then its gotten alot worse with the introduction of crazy Above Godtier character like Jack…
Buffing the Mishimas is retarded, will proabably make more people quit than people will come back… And buffing Jack? … -_- That character needs to be annihilated and removed, hes nothing like hes tekken incarnation anyway.
Ryu nerfs arent “just fine” he will be useless ^^ nerfing range and startup on hes c.mk and startup on c.rh is really gonna be hes end.
Jack is good but not godlike. He has some difficult matches. I will agree they could have left him alone. He didn’t need any buffs
So, let me get this straight. This game grants a player the ability to perform a strategy - in this case, zoning or rushdown. Now, that tactic is “bitchy” or whatever because some mediocre player is sitting at home and yelling at the tv screen??? Buddy, I played the worst ST and HDR character for years and played unfavorable match-ups versus most of the top players. Some matches I LITERALLY couldn’t do anything. Never once did I bitch about it. If its there, you use it. That’s the same approach I have towards this game.
And the lengths you’re going to prove that its cowardly is also amusing. Its not cowardly, its called defensive play. It happens to be a strategic component of the game. Here’s a different analogy: Do you play basketball? Do you know why teams become more defensive, for example, when they have no more fouls to give to the opposition? Because of STRATEGY. They become less aggressive in order to contain a situation. Is it cowardly if an opposing player is driving down the lane to dunk and I just sit there and take it?
Of all the examples to use, you give a BROKEN character? Not convincing, man. For the record, none of the players I know in HDR even mention that character due to how messed up he is. But that’s an extreme. Go hit up ssf4evo’s channel and watch some matches; they practically all feature heavy rushdown. The last time I saw a really drawn-out fireball war in SFxT was near the game’s beginning, when Damdai was trying to play Ryu like it was ST. As far as I know he has since stopped playing the game. My point is that some people are whining about a tactic that isn’t even that strong to begin with.
And again, I’ll give you an example: you land a fireball, you get, what, 60 damage tops? If you miss, you get ABC’ed. We all know certain jump-attacks have outstanding hit-boxes (Mishima j. RH, for example), so its harder to be certain of landing an AA. Jumps also cover a ton of ground. Rolls also allow you to cover some space. Since you want to prove that I’m somehow a cowardly player, I’ll go ahead and list my main characters for you:
ST/HDR: Cammy/Vega
AE: Bison/Rose
SFxT: Akuma/Yoshimitsu/Rolento/Paul
Not too much room for being cowardly there. I don’t care what people think of me as a player. But thinking that turtling is “bitchy” is the type of attitude that makes me think certain players should just DROP this game. Its ironic because certain folks are telling people to stop crying about these supposed nerfs, when it was THEIR crying that got us the nerfs to begin with.
Norieaga, why are you giving him the time of day? seriously he isn’t going to change his mindset and why should you care? If he believes zoning is bitching out then let him believe that…he’ll just get looked at funny if he says that shit in a real life meet up and not on some online forum…point is…let him be ignorant and be done with it. We really have better things to talk about then FG philosophy here…
You make a valid point, fair enough. Hope I didn’t waste too much space here, I just can’t stand ignorance some times. My apologies. 
Double post. This forum is great on tapatalk…not
Always satisfying isn’t it? Having an opponent sitting in corner, you walk back and forth in that magic range in front of him and smelling the FEAR 
Quite funny what a lot of Ryu scrubs do: they straight or back jump MK/HK or whiff crMK/crHK. And you just… Wait
or fireball
or tatsu
or jump forward
or donkey kick
or tag
yeah you just park right outside their longest poke range and wait for it. Get the KD, back off so you kill the roll option and repeat
what exactly did Vega have coming? he’s not THAT different.
and I’m a character loyalist. I played Vega in every game since SF2CE. Capcom isnt going to change that regardless of how good (ST) or bad (SF4) he is. If he’s not in the game at all then i simply dont buy/play the game.
also, i just got my copy of AC3. so i wasnt on yesterday. You do realize i’m going to troll you by running away all round right? If so lemme know when you’ll be on today or tomorrow and i’ll come troll you.
That’s the whole point you:confused: I mean holy shit, you should be indifferent, hence the amusement at you campaigning that runaway is legitimate tactic lately. If it works, fine. If other players calling you a bitch online messes with your head to the point where you need to go out and defend a tactic anytime it comes up, congrats, you just let them mindfuck you.
No wonder they don’t allow Good Games/Bad Games threads on here like the CVS2 days, there would be more players on suicide watch than Chinese workers at an iPhone factory.
You should stop trying to point fingers at the playerbase just because you’re bitter over an argument on the internet not going your way. Obviously many of the “changes” were pretty unexpected, so Capcom is going to do what they feel based on the data they’re collecting based on what they see vs. what they intended, with player needs/wants being a more residual influence. They can’t trust the playerbase, too many ulterior motives based on preference masked under the guise of balance, whether it’s intentional or not.
The ways some Vega players make it sound, his cr.jab turning into 1 frame link was the equivalent of being castrated, having his face permanently scarred with acid, and his mask being shoved straight up his ass. I’m sure the Vega players who just mashed cr.jab until they got a hit confirm into boost combo all the time were disappointed, I’ve seen quite a few Vegas drop that tactic already and do some pretty slick stuff to make up for it using cr.lp as a the good poke it’s still gonna be, getting higher damage off of more experimental combos. Nice to see people preemptively adapting their strategies in anticipation of the changes.
That’s it man? You’re just gonna set the bar that low before you guys even fight?:shake:
You’re confusing things, buddy. I’m defending the tactic for the sake of defending. I think its ignorant to dismiss turtling as “bitchy”. I don’t mind if people think I turtle, but I think its ignorant to dismiss it as such. Hence, all I’m saying is that’s a very ignorant train of thought. So, what, are you going to argue now that I turtle with fireballs while using M. Bison in AE? I guess Cammy has a fireball in HDR? This has nothing to do with me, just the tactic itself. You’re grasping at straws. If you’re somehow convinced I don’t play the characters mentioned, go on my Youtube and see for yourself. I’ve mained rushdown characters forever, I just appreciate the other side of Street Fighter.
Now, why am I mentioning it AT ALL? Not because I care what people think of me, but because its those same people who are** INFLUENCING THE CHANGES BEING MADE TO THIS GAME. **I don’t want Street Fighter being changed by people who don’t understand it. Not to say that I understand it any better, but at least I put thought behind my proposals and can provide evidence WHY I think I’m correct. Would you like me to provide that evidence for you?
What argument? You haven’t proven anything, just shown a slight amount of ignorance. Of course I’m going to point fingers at the fanbase. People complain of lame play, and too many timeouts. What happens? Nerfs. Doesn’t it seem a bit odd that Guile, Raven, Alisa, and Akuma all had nerfs to their fireballs? Seems like Capcom is trying to pursue a new direction at the request of someone, no? Didn’t Capcom just ask people to post their feedback on Eventhubs and Unity? Isn’t that where fans post? Seems clear to me that Capcom is taking suggestions from just about any random person on the internet, and then seeing what works. Perhaps some fans showed their distaste for the current system because its too “bitchy” for them? And maybe they decided to complain about it.
Yeah. Unless you have anything else to say other than that I’m a bitchy player, I’m going to assume we’re done here.
EDIT: Apologies again to therook, hahaha. I failed you. 
Maybe he has some issues vs. really strong attacking characters. But all defencive / zoning characters with the exception of Dhalsim? etc get blown up 7-3 to 10-0 He is terribly unbalanced. Way to strong vs. some characters. And its not even a slight bit of fun to play vs. him.