while my feint game isn’t terrifying, BK and jab ultra are what do it for me.
In comparison to the rest of the roster, her buttons aren’t AS good. But I really do like a lot of her pokes, even though they could be * better *. If they were any better, she’d definitely make top tier easily. She would possibly have more frame traps as well.
But they’re good enough. Low forward feint + overhead abuse can lead you to her normal game. They can’t just sit forever, even in close range. f+roundhouse over shoto low forwards gets them to think after a few.
IMO it’s more effective to know how to land your hits with her poking+zoning and her unusual tool set. People expect a low trajectory burning kick cross up when they get in that range, etc. But no one is looking for things like low forward feint x 2-3, then dash up throw/EX seismo mix up. It also gives a lot of time to find where they like to random uppercut, and if you back dash one or block one that can’t be FADC’d…they will be mind fucked to not ever lose that much life again.
I’ve seen Uryo confirm what Kensou once told me. He takes a Sagat (!!!) or Ryu ultra, then hits them back with Viper’s ultra and is in a winning position to end the game.
Yeah that’s what I tell people about SFIV. It’s an Ultra for an Ultra kinda game. Sometimes you’re better off just getting hit by the opponent’s Ultra just so they aren’t sitting on something that they will probably just hit you with later. It’s too easy for characters like Ryu and Sagat to just spam their Ultra on you so if you have a health lead you might as well just take the ultra so you can give it back to them later and kill them. Otherwise they’re going to save the ultra until you’re near death and then ur dead. Especially Ryu and Sagat sitting on shoryu FADC ultra option select.
At this point I’m content on purposely jumping in especially on Ryu players that have Ultra just to get rid of their Ultra. Sagat’s Ultra does a bit too much damage for my tastes but I’ll trade Ryu’s Ultra for mine any day with the ridiculous damage Viper’s Ultra does. Ryu is such a scrubby character when he’s sitting on 2 meters and Ultra so might as well just give him his scrub Ultra so you can SJC ultra him later when he’s not sitting on the most braindead option select in the game. They don’t even have to press any of the other buttons really. Just walk near you and let it rip.
but the thing is her ultra is pretty situational. its hard to hit her ultra every round. especially if the Ryu player knows not to be in the corner. or are you talking about the generic ways to land it like j.RH into it or maybe AA it.
Your right, but she has so many ways to land it, I find it pretty hard not to find an opportunity to bang it out, the only time i dont end up my ultra is when I don’t have it.
I usually AA it, or my rapidly approaching favorite , Ex siesmo to ultra, this has saved my ass on 2 many occasions mid screen
Heh…ur still on that scrub level Viper. Only way most lower level Vipers can connect ultra is off of of EX seismos when the opponent is in the corner and all of that stuff. Viper is even better than Rufus for guaranteed landing an Ultra like every round. You just have to have your execution on that higher level and not be lazy. Lower level “I’m still learning EX seismo to burn kick” Vipers have it tougher. Viper is made for people who sit in training mode.
Basically if I’m near you and I hit you with a close s.MP (close s.MP, c.MP, HJC Ultra) or EX seismo (point blank Ultra…SJC FADC Ultra)…you’re getting Ultra’d. Offline any ways :lol: Rufus can only mid screen Ultra 3 characters if they are standing on the ground and it’s very difficult to do. Otherwise they have to jumping which jumping unnecessarily in SFIV = death. Viper can activate her Ultra anywhere on the screen if she hits them with a close s.MP or EX seismo. Especially if she is within about sweep distance of the opponent. If they jump…Ultra…if you EX seismo them…Ultra. Basically if they make a mistake near you it’s Ultra time.
Damn, DevilJin going raw with the scrub calling 
but this forum needs that.
Yeah Viper definitely does land her ultra the most, she just has to be a bit more creative in the way she does.
Sagat’s f+roundhouse from uppercut is monstrous enough, combined with ultra…it takes really good optimization if you wanna that route. A lot of the time, if you’re fucking him up…there’s no need to. Just land the finishing mixes after that stun. It’s a good thing that the option is still there if you have the life for it, though.
Man, I remember when the Viper forums was so piff to come into and gain knowledge. Where did all the OG’s go? :\
ok i see. I gotta work on implementing c.mp/c.mk into ultra. my Viper game would be on a less scrubby level then lol. I usually think to to it but then I get scarred and just c.hp into seismo and try either a mixup or tick throw or whatever.
yeah lately Ive been really realizing how much damage output Viper has if your execution is on point. Before I just thought she was big into mixups but has a low damage output, like sakura or something lol. Shes still big into mixups but also has a beasty damage output, which makes for a solid character.
her ultra is aight but her moves help the ultra be good.
like FP TK trade dash ultra
c.mp xx ultra… u know like s.lk s.lk c.mp tk? just switch that tk to ultra. i use a short cut for that ultra. after the 2 shorts i hit diagonal down foward mp then i just do a single Tiger Knee motion for the sjc and ultra.
Dude, lk > hk > ultra. Ex messiah for an easy reversal into ultra. Even far hk > ultra if they’re sleeping.
Dude…LK, HK Ultra only works on standing characters (and maybe a couple of the biggest characters on crouch…but I don’t play Rufus). Now I’m forced to get technical. :lol: That scrubby stuff ain’t working on good players. Good players crouch block Rufus all day cuz his dives don’t hit overhead. If you got hit by LK, HK Ultra then you straight up deserved it cuz that’s not a viable option unless the opponent whiffs a standing attack. Whenever I fight Rufus I stay in crouch block once he gets near me. I know that no matter what his dives don’t hit overhead and even if he hits me with LK, the HK will whiff over my head should he try it. Which there’s a better combo you should be doing any ways. Viper’s close MP, c.MP Ultra works as long as you’re near the opponent no matter where they are on the screen or if they are in standing/crouching position. It’s basically you get touched…you get Ultra’d.
Far HK to Ultra…yeah you gotta be fighting people that are sleeping for that one. I’ve seen J.Wong catch that maybe once or twice and yeah that was after he got the opponent mad flustered. That’s never a regular setup for Rufus players and the move in itself is basically focus attack bait. It was basically designed as a move to catch people trying to jump or backdash away from Rufus and that’s not that reliable against people who are standing their ground. Viper is better for people that don’t sleep when it comes to landing her ultra. She’s that much more effective at landing it since there’s literally a setup for it almost anytime she touches you with an attack. Viper has that factor where she can literally take away half your life with her Ultra as soon as she’s anywhere near you.
Either way I can’t really knock Rufus for having one of the best BnB’s in the game. S.LK, s.HP to galactic tornado is a ridiculously good combo and pretty damaging even if it doesn’t go into Ultra. That’s what you should be doing instead of hoping ur fighting a scrub that doesn’t crouch block.
hmm all this talk about close MP to c.mp ultra has got me wanting to practice it, even though i have been sucking canceling normals to ultra i honestly havent put in the time. But thats because i havent really been losing with my viper, i consider my viper pretty damn beastly even without canceling normals to ultra or sjc fadc ultra. its not so much learning the tricks as it is knowing what to do in every situation. deviljin when i played you i played my viper completely different then you but i feel if i had some of your tricks in my arsenal i would be able to win alot more instead of just being the same skill as you. i guess what im trying to say is you dont really have to learn every single trick in the book with viper to win, but it sure does help alot, and even if you know everything their is to viper u still have to learn how to use your knowledge.
I’m alright doing cr.mp SJC Ultra and can perform links into cr.mp SJC Ultra too. I’ve been using it a fair amount in matches.
I seriously need to attend more offline sessions, so far I’ve only been to one. I developed really bad habits, my execution’s gotten worse and I’m not using enough of Viper’s potential. Everytime I look back at my vids vs Murasaki I can’t help but think to myself that that was a completely different person playing Viper because the Viper player at least looked like he knew what he was doing whereas I don’t know what I’m doing with Viper anymore, lol. Back to the drawing board…AGAIN. Hopefully I’ll keep improving and one day it’ll all click but there is still much work to be done.
On a less moody note, how come nobody uses Viper’s original costume anymore? Everyone uses her alt all the time, lol.
You said standing.
The bit in bold is why it’s a viable option. Such an easy whiff punisher. I’ve seen great players get hit by this one.
Don’t disagree with any of the other stuff, but I do think Rufus has two viable midscreen ultra options vs the entire cast. I dunno, it felt you were sleeping on Rufus a little but you obviously just meant to say crouching rather than standing.
Yeah well you know what I meant. Characters on the ground. It’s common knowledge that LK, HK Ultra is super situational and not worth doing most of the time. Even then they opponent has to whiff a standing attack and you must be near them. With typical Rufus pressure the best option you have is s.LK, s.HP to whatever. Viper on the other hand can pretty much force counter hits to free ultra off close s.MP no matter what as long as she’s in close.
Rufus doesn’t really even need the ability to do Ultra anywhere on the screen at anytime because that would pretty much defeat the purpose of using Viper. :lol: Like I said before…s.LK, s.HP to whatever is way buff for Rufus and Rufus has enough ways to set up Ultra once the opponent is near the corner or they do something stupid. His damage output before the Ultra is great in itself.
Just got back from the arcade. I left way earlier than I had intended on because of how BADLY I was getting demolished. I’m the only Viper player in my general area (and I can usually win with her against most players) and to drop 3-0 twice with Viper to a Boxer who I usually comfortably beat, was just sickening. Ryuga, I know exactly where you’re coming from, because today’s ass whooping was like punishment for playing on XBL too damn much. I felt like I didn’t know how to play and my execution was noobtastic. Needless to say I am very disappointed in myself. Looks like I’ll be joining you at that drawing board there…
BTW I use Viper’s original costume all the time!! Sexy white suit FTW!!! That, and I don’t have the alternates because I’m too broke to spend money on microsoft points (plus my subscription is about to expire so I gotta buy THAT too…lol)
I use Viper’s original 10 because there’s nothing like a Crimson haired woman with a crimson suit to match. Aru and Ma Ero also use dat Red Viper. If her Alt 10 had a Crimson red color I would use that instead. Red tuxedo will do though that’s for sure.
Ya gawd-damned right
Yooo you aren’t telling me that you didn’t see an alt red one right? I was wondering why you liked Original red over Alt red
Alt red isn’t even red. It’s like a bright maroon or something crazy. It’s got that not so red Dante effect to it. Meh. If it ain’t scorching Ferrari red I don’t want it.