I sure think so. What place is she in the tier list? I think she should be right after cable, just because she can fight anyone in the game pretty good. Though she doesnt have any “1 Hit kills” in the game like other characters, its mad hard to do that on her. Swords lock down mag, cable, and storm sometimes. Teleporting is very useful. Though everyone could get out of traps these days, its still annoying and can lockdown for a while.
I agree…I use spiral and I think she has potential to be a great fighter…her projectile assist is damn fine, and yeah…her teleportation, I think, is the best in the game…and the low kick dancing swords…wow…
her difficulty level, and her escapable traps are what make her not as good as you say. simple as that
which is why i said she had potential to be a great fighter…in using her, I know what makes her flawed…thing is…I could use her a hell of a lot better than any of the top tier…not because they’re top tier…but because they don’t feel right when I use them (if that makes any damned sense)
EDIT:…oh yeah…I loaded up X-Men: Children of the Atom…Spiral was a completely different character in that one…her return in MVC2 was a much needed improvement…
yeah XmenCoTA made spiral alot better, except the no wall trapping.
Maybe I’ll see if someone around here can make a video of me playing spiral against the best around here. Of course, we’re not the best at each character, but its amazing how spiral gives the 4 gods a bit of trouble. Escaping HSF’s, corner rape, HS’s, AHVB’s are awesome.
Though I still think that the four gods are still the four gods, spiral yet still gives a good fight. If spiral had a 1 hit kill or a good super she’d definitely be a god character.
she gives the gods a good fight beacuse…
- teleports own cable
- knifes + s.hp hurt rushdown
- teleports with knifes > scrubb sentinels
- she can chase runaway
but a good sentinel wont be fooled, a good storm will play both rush and run at the same time, alternating between them rapidly, and spiral can’t keep up, and cable needs to play very patiently. magneto gets fucked usually, depending on what assist spiral has.
you know…the original question about spiral was never answered…
…what friggin’ tier is she?
3rd…
1st = top 4 (storm/sent/mag/cable)
2nd = cyclops, strider, ironman etc
3rd = war machine, doom, spiral etc
4th = rogue, cammy, blackheart, etc
5th = mid tier
6th = low (spiderman, thanos, etc)
7th = roll, servbot, dan, gief
The early tiers were based on the first 10 (God tier only came about 2? years ago), the next ten were second tier.
Spiral is definitely ranked 6 - 8 (personally I’d put strider 5th, Spiral 6th). Depends how you rank people - wether its by damage output, Guard break ability, ability to fight sent, etc…)
Definitely in first ten.
I tend to use rushdown characters, or escape artists…I’d like a character that’d replace morrigan in my main team, which is Spider-man(when you get the opporitunity to use your favorite comic book hero in a decent fighting game, you take it!)/Spiral(She caught my interests when I was screwing around one day…)/Morrigan(I liked her in the Darkstalkers series)…its not the best team in the world…but they feel the most right to me…but as a team, there’s an imbalance…sometimes I use Psylocke in place of Morrigan (Spiral became a mainstay on my team about a year after I was playing the game, hence the alternation)
out of the god tier…Storm would be good for me ‘cause I’ve seen her used as a good rushdown, and a good keep away, and I can combo with her alright…she feels like a better wolverine with the lightning attack air combos (but I think her typhoons come out slow and leave her open…unless I’m usin’ her wrong…)Sentinel is too slow for me, plain and simple, but I think he has great lockdown…Magneto is very good…but his moves don’t really suit my style, so I use him very sloppy…Cable…I just don’t fuckin’ like…
I would like to learn cyclops better…he’s fun to use sometimes, but I don’t use him well enough for serious play…Same with Doom, I can use him, but not well enough yet to use him seriously, however, I use him better than cyclops…Omega Red (after gettin’ WHOOPED up on last thursday by him) definitely seems like someone I’d wanna use…
who all would you recommend for a good Rushdown/Escape/Keep Away team?
MSP is a really good rushdown team and Santhrax is pretty good for keepaway. MSS is godly too with Sent on proj. assist and if you know how to abuse Sent’s fly. Or you can use a team with Blackheart if you like to run alot.
Santhrax can do all three of those things well.
What I find funny is how people think just because guard cancelling was discovered it made the trap utterly useless. You can still throw a whole bunch of stuff in the screen w/o lockdown and still do mucho chip damage.
Not saying that her trap wasn’t more useful but her throwing knives w/ assist is still annoying and builds meter. Oh yeah from experience most people don’t even GC until the 3rd rep so you get 2 reps of chip which is good or potentially a combo if you manage to hit them with c.lk, c.mk, s.hp + knives.
forgive me for sounding newbie-ish…but…what do you mean by Santhrax, MSP, and MSS?
santhrax
storm - projectile
sentinel - ground
commando - anti air
MSP
magneto
storm
psylocke, all alpha type
MSS
magneto
storm
sentinel, all alpha, but sometimes sentinel uses ground instead
Blackheart 4th tier??? Maybe as a solo character, but even then I’d give him 3rd.
MagnetoManiac, I hope that my Spiral opened your eyes to what she’s capable of. She works well for people that don’t deal with her on a regular basis…Against the top 4, here’s what Pabs likes to do against my Spiral:
Storm: Throw the assist in the way of knives, then rush my spiral down to the point where I can’t get any, severely hurting my assist if I use it to get knives.
Sent: Pretty much the same, except he’s flying and anti-assist calling, waiting for me to teleport in order to land a combo.
Magneto: Similar to Storm’s tactic, and doing a hypergrav xx super upon teleport.
Cable: This is the only matchup in my favor. Cable cannot keep me from getting knives or calling out my assist. He normally waits until I call an assist and then AHVB’s it. He waits for me to tp behind him, then he DHCs into Storm. If Cable is his final character, then I’ve probably won.
Spiral with Doom is pretty nasty. Charaters like Cammy, Psylocke, Commando, etc can’t handle all the projectiles that she can produce with that assist. Circle swords (reload) and Doom assist produces quite the safe haven. She’s definitely a fun character, who might can win a game for you. She’s top 10, I’d say around 9. BH, Strider, IM, Doom(?) are probably better on point with the right assists. Such has been my observation.
Yeah there arent many spiral users and BH users in tourneys today. I would like to get some more practice rounds in.
I got a friend hamm that plays bh and he’s really good with him too. he used in in ts4 last year and placed like 35 or something like that. well ts5 is coming up and better get some more practice in.
magnetomaniac u have a funny signature. just thought that i’d say that since it is wong. but u have a fucking badass avatar. :tup:
Hehe, I wouldn’t want to end this post with just saying “thanks”, but thanks, BlackBeacan for the avatar, I thought of the sig. Keep up with iceman, i’ve seen a few around here raping cables and sentinels
reason being is that it’s too easy to get around him. at first, it’s cool, you think a different type of doom, all the basics there, throws shit down, good chip damage, etc. but 1) unless you have a good assist protecting it (eg storm variety), inf xx hod is GC’d. 2) his shit that you throw down, doesn’t do chip, unlike dooms. 3) his infinite is nigh impossible to setup without an assist. 4) his solo combo ability is nothing too special
yeah, with an assist, like doom, sentinel, commando, cyclops, storm, etc, he’s nasty (i think his best team would be BH/storm/cyke), but if his assist dies, he’s toast. even magneto doesn’t have a hard time… don’t pushblock, rom behind him as he’s falling.
bh used to be a favorite character of mine, but i think he gets taken care of too easily