So uh...we're not banning the giant characters?

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I mean, the general rules of combo’ing and tagging out don’t apply to them.

Are we really gonna be seeing these guys in tournaments sometime soon or is this not decided yet?

If not, we should talk about it now. I for one think that they should be banned on the basic principle that they are giants, they have constant super armor so combo based characters don’t work on them (Karas). I know they are beatable and I know they suck against certain characters (Casshern/Ryu) but why should I be forced to switch to Casshern or some other “giant raper” to play those two specific matchups?

I mean, could you imagine entering a tourney and fighting a Smart PTX user? You pretty much have no choice than to pick one of those characters. The way I see it, you should potentially be able to use any character to beat any other character with heavy emphasis on the skill of the player.

I know tournaments haven’t started up yet but still, we should get the discussion on these two characters going since nobody really talks about whether or not they’re “fair”. Now keep in mind just because they can be beaten and have somewhat severe drawbacks or disadvantages doesn’t mean they should be playable in tournament.

One example is Naruto Gekitou Ninja Taisen for the Cube. Akumaru (the dog character) absolutely sucks but they still banned him, simply because he’s too short and impossible to combo. Now he’s definitely beatable if you play low and know which attacks connect with his small hitbox but why should you be forced to learn a completely different way to play just for one character. Basically Akumaru doesn’t adhere to the general rules of the game. He doesn’t get combo’d and most high attacks miss and he’s just …boring to fight against. Just boring.

This is the same for Yoda in Soul Calibur 4. He is Banned from most tournaments. From what I hear though, since both Vader and Yoda are now DLC, they are considering leaving them playable even though Yoda is absolute trash.

I want other people’s opinion on this though because I notice some players are actually trying to play with these characters which I find ridiculous and a waste of time. I mean they’re boss characters made playable for fun I think. Yes… if you had a boss character in the game why not give the players a chance to play with those characters for the hell of it. I highly doubt thought and consideration was put into how these two giants balanced out with the rest of the cast. There’s really no point in having them unplayable…so that’s why I think they’re in. Just for the hell of it, I doubt they expected people to play them in tournaments.

Also, I have to mention this. This ties in to why I believe they should be banned. They’re just LAME and BORING to fight against. NOT FUN. It’s like fighting a boss, but your friend is controlling them. I literally have no fun fighting them because you have to focus on stupid one hitters, running away, super jumping, more running, throw out some projectiles, run away again, rinse and repeat. Does this sound fun to you?

I mean dam, there was this one kid in my school playing with PTX in my school’s video game club and he kept winning due to spamming throws (Yes I know you can easily Tech Hit them) and knocking people out of anything they would do with the super armor. The winning wasn’t the problem, the problem was that nobody wanted to fight him because it simply was not gonna be a fun match for them. They knew what they’d have to rely on to win and the whole idea disgusted them to the point of not playing. I refused to play as well, because going Soki/Karas on a giant is kind of retarded and those were the only chars I had at the time. My point here is, these guys are lame to fight against, lame to play as and if they are legal (…somehow) everybody’s just gonna have a giant raper counterpick team specifically for them, therefore making the Lightan and PTX mains USELESS in tournament. It’s inevitable.

What do you guys think?

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I read this, and honestly, not to sound like a jerk, but QQ more.

You’re generally complain about 2 specific characters that you complain about having to fight in a specific way to win, but when you look at their shoes, they have to fight in a specific way to fight 90 percent of the roster. They have to fight low, and rely on BBQ alot to even do real decent damage and combos. Considering everyone is faster than Lightan and PTX means that they can out run and spam and they cant do a thing about it. Why? Because they’re big and slow. Megaman and Saki are basically counterpicks to the giants. Also, when you look at it in another way, when you play a character, there is bound to be another character that naturally counters your character, making that match up automatically in your opponents favor. When that happens, dont you have to play in a different format, or a different style in order to win, because play normally would generally ensue your downfall? I would assume so. That’s the style of counter picks.

As for the subject of them being boring to fight, all I can say is Bawwww. Maybe the Lightans and PTX you’re playing are borning to fight, but you can’t automatically assume that every Lightan and PTX you’re coming across is going to play the same. If they spam throws, tech. They grab animations are significantly more noticable than everyone elses, so if you’re neutral, and you have a good reaction time, the move is generally null and void.

Plus the giants generally succum to alot of LVL 3 Supers. If you really dont like fighting them, ban them in friendlies, but considering this game just came out, none of us should honestly be talking about banning any character, especially the giants as they dont have what it takes to make them broken. V. Joe is more of a candidate than either of the giants. They’re annoying, yes. They’re strong, absolutely. Possibly cheap? Maybe. But worth a ban when they have so many glaring weakness? I dont think so.

Yea, their super armor might shut down a specific kind of character aka combo ie Karas, but hey, that’s what counter picking is for right? Projectile spams counter pick the giants because they can safely chip the giants from a distance without much worry, especially lightan who has no projectiles. At least PTX can fight from a distance to a degree.

Seriously dude. Give it more time, we should be developing metagame, not banning things.

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This is fucking stupid, someone should release a game with one character and one character only. That way you can all mirror match each other and you’ll have nothing to cry about…

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i really dont see people playing the giants like for real for real. but thats just my opinion.

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Yeah here comes the part where everybody runs in and gets their SRK brownie points for going “N00B, WE’RE NOT BANNING ANYTHING!” But seriously tho, it’s too early to decide that for one and for another, they don’t look that good that it would really matter. If people want to play them, it’s their call.

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QFT

For TvC or whatever. Play the damn thing and wait for tourneys. If the game sucks at tourneys, play another game. Stop trying to turn games into different games with less stuff to have fun with.

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Oh come on now. Don’t pick on the poor giants. They’re already bad enough as they are.

Every character an beat them by simply playing smart defensive and punishing their horriffic lag until they have enough meterto use a level 3 super.

Even lightan doesn’t have much of a way to press an offence. Players are going to break out of his and PTX’s grabs almost every time due to them being mashable.

Also, you have a very ignorant mindest if you think it’s a waste of time to try to play a character who’s different from the others. Many people want to learn PTX and Lightan BECAUSE they offer a different playing experience, and because they have certain elements that may appeal to the player.

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That and who can honestly hate playing as a huge ass robot? I mean seriously, its like living one of your childhood dreams.

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Right now, I think PTX is the worst character in the game. You seem to think he is some super powerful unbeatable win button, or something.

My advice is to not enter tournaments if this is a concern. More than half the cast has something stupid strong vs the giants, and the ones that don’t can still win by landing their Lv3s.

Threads about silly bans are not going to stay open right now. There hasnt even been one tournament yet, and only a handful of casual matches are even on youtube.