You talk nonsense. All you need is a level 2 SC and use a decent heavy hitting attack. Boom, you just knocked somebody off of there balance. Of course, you never know if their gonna try to guard impact, but the heavier the attack, the harder it is to GI. Better yet, cancel auto SC unblockables and when they start to freak and try to hit you, surprise em with some jugglin shit man.
You should all just play kof maximum impact and quit whining.
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You talk nonsense. All you need is a level 2 SC and use a decent heavy hitting attack. Boom, you just knocked somebody off of there balance. Of course, you never know if their gonna try to guard impact, but the heavier the attack, the harder it is to GI. Better yet, cancel auto SC unblockables and when they start to freak and try to hit you, surprise em with some jugglin shit man.
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Your name implies the comments. Seriously, what the hell are you people talking about? Honestly, name some high level players who actually agree w/you, and I’ll stop right now.
First of all, NOBODY in the SC2 world uses A, A, B w/NM. Why? The 3rd hit is stepped and you’re dead, easily. Scrubs
SC2 is the most known turtlers 3D game out, if you dispute that, you have never been in any good tourney, please stop playing Survival mode and know your shit. Throws track? Since when. Me and countless other people who have mastered stepping will get around it. The stepping system is so unbalanced, it’s stupid. Cervantes, Ivy and hell, even Mitsu can Step-G MORE than half the shit in this game. I’ve played this seriously for 2 years, yet I do agree, the game is now almost completely dead. If it was like SC, it’d be a different story
Seriously guys, don’t just spout off shit to be cool. Read some info on www.soulcalibur.com so you sound a little smarter.
Don’t B dominant throws track slightly?
-Kimo
No, not that I know of.
Who really has enough time to do a level 2 SC? The only thing that I can think of about people believing about Nightmare’s 3B being a guard crush is that they mistake it for 4**. Not that great a move.
My mistake, by crush I figured he was talking about tech crouching under highs. That stupid term has ruined me.
I apologize, Nori’s correct on the sidestep. You CAN sidestep a throw, but only at the same time the throw is attempted. I could only avoid it on a simultaneous sidestep against the attempt. Like I said earlier however if you’re beside someone, the throw will track as the character instantly turns to attempt the throw, but you can still sidestep it, as long as you step in the right direction. Nightmare missed if I stepped to my character’s left, but if I step to the right, the throw connects anyway, this is how it “tracks”.
Throws are very unreliable vs step, even when next to someone. Their poor range doesn’t help either. And honestly, it’s not like throws are that strong to begin with. 13 frame break window is pretty big.
You’re attemtping to define something that doesn’t exist. Whether or not a move is done with Kick has no bearing on its speed or properties. In fact, the majority of good pokes and fast moves tend to be with AA’s, 2A’s, and B’s.
There is no basis to this assumption. It’s all dependant on your character.
And for what? Faking unblockables is rarely worth anything in the long run.
Shesshhh :lame:
Play the game if you like and it makes you happy. Its turtle fest and buggy??? O well, me and my set of calibur/gamer friends aren’t that good to see those flaws yet. I think its fun, so I play it. Nightmare owns maan…
swords are cool!!! where’s Mace 2!!!
Mike
All you scrubs that have never played SC2 at high levels (graffiti_chex) – STFU. M’kay?!
What else?
Hmmm…
Yoshi pwns.
There is always some humor in reading SC2 threads on srk. Anyway…it depends on your local scene. In some places it’s active, in others it’s just dull.
Not all guard crushes are “predictable”. It’s all about choice and timing. If you try stuff like Raph’s 4B,** or Taki’s 44B then you’re just giving away a free hit. Learn the soul charged crushes and incorporate them. Some knowledge of advanced tactics makes this much easier. If you’re want to gc someone with NM, use SC1 NLS A+B.
Personally I SC cancel frequently. Why?
- opens up gcs
- can be used it for baits/training
- its fun and fast.
Even if you’re not in a position to capitalize off a gc, use one when you can connect. Instill that fear of vulnerability in the person. I’ll throw out a SC1 3B+K with Ivy even though I can’t do shit if I connect. Either the person if gonna think - Don’t let him charge because he can gc me
- His gc isn’t anything to worry about (another issue all together).
In the case of 1 I can use canceling as a bait for an attack. In the case of 2, that opens up more windows and I hope you can see what I’m talking about (don’t wanna type if its not needed).
As is said before it’s about choice and timing. If you wanna do something like X’s [A+K], B, just to it at the right time. Mixup before hand if you can sense the person knows what you’re trying to do.
On the turtling issue…
If you play someone really good and show that you can’t block basic strings or block well period, you will get murdered. If you seem afraid to attack you will get raped. You have to know how to turtle until an opening is given to you, and then take it. Identifying what type of opponent you have is very important (playing style wise). I’ve embarassed many extreme turtlers with NM. 3**, B, (opponent rising) 66A+K, A+B+K~G, 4 B+K, A+B, B, A+B+K~G, 22B+K, A+B,…just as an example.
Oh, but what if…yadda yadda. I wouldn’t do somehthing like that on someone if I didn’t see a chance of it working. Hell I even got the spin after the 2nd charge just incase the opponent tries to rise with a linear move.
On the boring vids issue…
It’s been addressed and should pretty much be common knowledge to anyone who plays any fighter on the competitive level. All the fancy crap stays in exhibition or vs the cpu. In SC2 aside from Yoshi and X you might not see any high flying moves come finals. Shiet I damn near bust out laughing when I just A rape a character (come on, it funny seeing someone get chipped to death trying to sidestep/poke back), but I wouldn’t do that for more than 3 secs during a tourney.
…blah I typed more than I wanted.
-The insults are ridiculous. Geez. . Soul Caliburs not a bad game despite what anybody that "really plays videogames’ has to say. Tekken 5 has it’s flaws too.
-And for the last time. . Nightmares 3B does not guard crush. Dont argue with me . .turn that shit on and see for yourself.
-Call it a turtles game all you want, it goes both ways. The match should be in YOUR favor if you’re dealing with such predictable “turtles”, so I dont see why “turtles” make the game so “stupid”
For the most part I dont even feel like explaining everything I didnt agree with because some of you rather be dicks about it and insult my intelligence or whatever. Shit I like that game and I know people like me who still play it too.
It’s only a matter of time before Soul Calibur 3 is released and Tekken 5 is blackballed just like Soul Calibur 2.
In other words, you can’t disprove any facts someone brings up 'cause you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Hope you’re happy as-is, 'cause you won’t be getting much comp for a dead game.
It’s not a good sign when the best you can do is talk about games that aren’t even out yet.
Read JMJ’s post again…he was refering to a different sort of “crush”, not the typical SC2 crush you are coining here.
lol@you
trigger happy motherfucker … .
I still play SC2 occasionally. Its a more easier game for my friends to mash on than Tekken or VF
I apologize. Most of the people I play with don’t play like a freak-of-nature/turtler/chump. When the game is actually played competitively, you don’t get stupid matches where people all want to wait for you to attack and thats it. Not many games where meant for turtles. If you only do some of the combo commands, like three or four, then yeah, you may qualify as a turtle. But what the hell, because people found out that turtling is more effective than an all out rush down, the game sucks? It wasn’t meant to be that way. I think most of the people who think the game sucks now just arn’t playing the game with enough variety anymore. Got used to play the CPU who never turtles. Iono, maybe the peeps I play with suck, maybe then don’t know how to play SCII (don’t know how to turtle). You should play the way it feels comfortable, but you shouldn’t just rely on turtleing, play with strategy instead. Visually and practically, the game moves that are just as good as any Tekken game. I guess its not really your fault if you don’t like SCII anymore especially if you pay like 50cents for each credit. You would wanna ensure that you win every match the easiest way possible. Don’t really require too much skill save for reaction. But I just don’t like turtleing with people like Xianghua (my fav). IMO finding out that turtling is all that you need to do doesn’t mean a game sucks, but when thats all you do in a match against any given oppenent is when the game sucks for you. It may be broken in that sense, maybe. Maybe, its not meant to be played by higher level players out there. Maybe its a noob game. Who know, you only have what you think. But it is still a good game!
WHAT THE FLYING FUCK IS THIS GUY TRYING TO SAY?
Who in their right fucking mind is gonna read this shit? Use paragraphs.
To anyone who reads it, does it fucking make sense?
Do you play the game competitively because it seems like you don’t.
Turtling isn’t just guarding all day because if it was, no turtle would win. It’s being a lot more defensive than offensive.
A footsie/ranging game may be boring to an average onlooker, but be one of the people playing and you’ll see there is a lot more going on than just tippy-toeing and swinging. What move to use, the range of the move, ways to avoid the move, speed and recovery, what am I leaving myself open to, am I becoming readable…just a few things going through a person’s head.
It seems like some people have a problem understanding the concept of turtling (it can change from game to game).
That’s not a turtle, that’s someone who doesn’t know much of a person’s movelist. I could play Xianghua using only 5 moves and be far from what people consider a turtle. Strings should rarely be followed through because a competitive player should know everyone’s strings. That leaves the player open for GI/parries, being stepped, and interruption.
Playing against the cpu shouldn’t be mentioned, it’s all practice. Even on the hardest setting, the cpu is still abuseable/easy to manipulate.
Here I go typing more than I wanted again…