So I was watching some replays this morning and couldnt help but notice the amount of Adons that seemed to either be mashing the combos or turbo’ing them.
Seeing as Adons combos ‘feel’ quite strict to me, regarding the timing, I found it odd.
I mean these guys were inputting the punches like 7 times for a 2 hit combo, and I cant even say its like they were double tapping. What suprised me more is it actually worked!!!
I cant bring myself to try it as I had to train myself not to mash from the start haha!
oh and im not gonna point out any names, but some of these guys seem like quite ‘high’ skill Adon players in that they are fairly well ranked. Though you can say online has its limitations regarding offline skill, a good player online is usually good offline etc etc.
hmm for me it helps when I double tap sometimes. Online is also wierd since you have wierd lag so it makes it easier to pull off. Offline I wont really mash it. I do mash dp in the middle of blockstrings sometimes =)
ah okay, it just baffled me seeing how they input so many and yet it combo’d haha!
The only thing I tend to mash is reversals after a blocked ultra, or moves with a low amount of recovery, like say 6frames, while rj is a 5f reversal or 4f in the form of lk.rj
I am too busy deciding on whether to block high/low or tech! to mash in block strings
mashing can sometimes be useful, but against higher skilled players then don’t try it too much. Those high-ranked players may have only fought beginners in which mashing mashes them. I am an Adon player and used to mash, but timing combos equals for more effect and you’ll fare off better. I recommend looking at some combo videos, or some strategies.
I find myself double tapping a lot with Adon. Since he depends on dp, his combos feel more fluid if you double tap. Sometimes its okay to mash in between block strings if you feel your opponent will not land those 1 frame links, or if he’s scrubby in general.
Mashing is a necessary evil for online play, especially for Adon. I’m sure I qualify as one of those ‘high skill’ mashers (XBL tag -Zeckasaur). I’m ok with getting ribbed about mashing combos if it means that I finish my combos. Also, it’s important to note that there are game mechanics that pretty much necessitate mashing as far as online play goes. Buffering a DP online is notoriously fickle, and sometimes you just need to mash to make sure it goes off, otherwise you could be sitting there looking like a retard with no counter-options.
Wait, wait, there a sec. “mashing combos if it means you finish them?” Every video I’ve seen of you, you never ever land a combo. And you are pretty famous on youtube. You only ever do a handful of things - mash uppercut, random jaguar kicks or jump around for no reason. Even your latest replays show no signs of improvement since we last conversed.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of Adons out there who just go nuts without any logical reason behind their gameplay. It gives the character a bad reputation and I really just wish online Adons would just stop it. It’s honestly no better than a flowchart Ken executing Dragon Punches from one end of the screen to the other.
It’s not often you’ll catch mashers playing at the arcades or offline if they take the game at all seriously. If I remember correctly, Henry Cen (who runs Next Level arcade), can’t stand egotistical or mashers in his establishment. He doesn’t care who comes in, as long as they leave their ego at the door and they come to improve their game and so on.
Also, there seems to be trend that goes with mashing and humbleness. On my GFWL list, it’s always the ones that mash who seem to think that they are playing the game well, whereas the ones who can actually do the combos know their strengths, weaknesses and where they need to improve.
As the saying goes “It’s not whether you win or lose, it’s how you PLAY the game.”
Depends on what you mean by mashing. Adon’s combos do feel much stingier and don’t have an easy rhythm as characters like Dudley or Ryu do. When I first started playing Adon my inputs probably looked like half a screen of c.lp and three Rising Jaguars for one combo. I don’t expect every Adon should have to do exactly two c.lp’s then a perfect RJ with no extraneous directional inputs, but 7 times seems quite a bit. Maybe 4, but 7 is a little too intense.
Hey, it’s my internet stalker again! Just a couple things -
People tend to post videos of themselves doing well against highly ranked opponents. They don’t tend to post videos of themselves getting beaten down by those highly ranked opponents. If I really had an ego issue like you said, I would be posting my own videos in order to flood Youtube with videos of me destroying opponents.
Lag exists online. It’s a fact. Lag doesn’t exist in replays, so despite the fact that Adon has some very difficult combo strings, you feel like you can hop up on an Internet Hater pedestal and try to tear down my gameplay based on my execution of combos? Find something better to do with your life, seriously. There’s much more to AE than combo execution - pokes, defense, counterhits, etc. I’ve never once tried to tear a complete stranger down based on a couple youtube videos posted exclusively by his or her opponents. But I appreciate your need to invalidate whatever I say, as if your opinion of my gameplay matters…
I maintain a 3.5k-4k PP online, despite dorking around with Oni for half of my matches. I was able to clear A-ranking a few weeks ago. Clearly, based on my “latest replays”, the rest of the internet can’t handle my “handful of things” :rolleyes: Or maybe, if you actually played me online, you would get to see me execute some of my bread-and-butter combos, or JK zoning, or simply playing well against other highly skilled opponents. I’m starting to get the feeling that I’ve played you on XBL, and you’re just holding a grudge. The bottom line is that you have no ground to stand on in regards to critiquing online playstyles. People play strategies that work. For some people, that means playing Flowchart Ken/Dive Kick spam/Blanka turtling/etc., and either you know how to beat it, or you don’t. Getting bent out of shape because someone is being honest about Adon’s limitations online? Grow up.
I’ve never said I’m great at Adon. You bet your ass that I wish I could execute some of the more difficult combos, but there’s a world of difference between online play and direct play, and to be honest, I’ve only seen 3 or 4 adons online that can even execute some of the more difficult combos like cr. LP -> cr. LP. -> cr. LP -> lk. RJ. My hat goes off to those guys - I honestly don’t know how they don’t throw their stick when a random lag bump let’s an opponent counter-mash a DP when they miss a 1-frame link. The sad part is that combos like that are cake for some characters like Ken or Yun, especially online.
I won’t argue as this is not the point of the thread, but just a few minor things.
Don’t own an XBOX. Never have never will.
I can’t play anyone outside my own country. Our internet simply isn’t good enough. I don’t live in the U.S.
I don’t know if it’s ever been clear how much points really matter. Replays highlight many things and you can usually tell what’s going on in player’s heads by watching any of their replays - win or loss.
Also, my bad, the topic was about mashing in combos. I went off track and went on a tangent about mashing in general. I apologise.
When I started to play Adon, I mashed to do a combo and my sucess rate was 30 %, now if I want to do 2 or 3 cr lp i push two or three times and my ratio it’s around 90-95% in training, 80% for the cr lk, of course it’s another story online, to me mashe is really not effective.
The most problematic when you don’t mash is when you want to punish an unsafe move with a series of cr lp and the other just mash his damn chain when is not his dp and land the combo when is supposed to be in negative, damn delay, then most of the time I need to punish just with a throw to don’t take a risk.
Of course, see shotos mash and land their combos really easily online make me sick.
The biggest problem is the online lag. Offline all my Adon BnB combos i can execute without mashing out cr lp and cr lk to rj. Online its very inconsistent for me. I sometimes go into an online match with the mindset that i won’t mash out mycombos and i end looking like a dick when i execute a perfectly timed safe jump cross up and i only do a j. Mk and a cr lk and my opponent mashes out a dp reversal.
I’ve even resorted to trying to do some easier BnB combos so i won’t have to mash and i still get mixed results. Right now my go to BnB is cr lk, cr lk, cr lp to mk rj.
Like zeckasaur said earlier combos are only part of the gameplan for Adon. Instead i believe his jk pressure game and his amazing normals are just as important than executing combos. I’ve won many matches online without even executing any jump ins or bnb combos. His standing rh, jk and ajk are very good against aggressive opponents.
