i only brought it up cause i saw you were from NC
btw, still salty you guys won the cup in 2006, you probably dont care about hockey though =\
isnt that typically american? If its not between their borders, it may as well be a fucking fairy tale
Quick, someone name 3 good things about canada.
lol do you have any idea how dumb you sound? and thats exactly why your goverment luvs you retards so much. generally stupid, check. patriotic, check. easy to do propaganda on, check. will beiieve and do whatever the government tells them to, check.
any country in the world would have loved to have sheep this stupid following them.
William Shatner
Jim Carrey
Phil Hartman
There are a few more…
Says the guy that thinks our streets are filled with neo-nazis and kkk members.
Brb burning cross.
so… are you guys comfortable with the way america is headed?..
hockey, pam anderson, quality beer, marijuana (u americans dont think ur still getting it from Mexico, do u?), poutine (AKA disco fries), legalized gay marriages, mike meyers
are you serious?
So how 'bout that upcoming console exclusive first person shooter?
This thread doesn’t particularly interest me, but I think you’re missing the part where “free” healthcare isn’t free at all. You are literally jacking people’s money to pay for it. If handled poorly (and it may be), it has the potential to be a catastrophic financial drain.
as if requiring car insurance is any different.
Here’s my issue on the US Gov’t today:
People are starting to say “There is no Democracy!” and “We’re becoming communist/socialist/other forms of government that people don’t know the first thing about”
But really, how far are we from the latter?
We elect people to represent our choice? Bullshit. How many people, out of the couple hundred in the law making body, make less than 6 figures and actually give a damn about the people below their income line? I’ve been of age to vote for 3 years and as far as I can tell, none of my votes did much. I’ve been alive for 21 years and most of those 21 years I’ve lived in a slum neighborhood starting in the projects and eventually moving into a ghetto ass house on section 8. Shit’s gotten worse. I’m sure people in even larger places like NYC, Chicago, Detroit, and LA have this shit to an even worse degree.
How much of a democracy is it when you ask for help from the people who say they stand for what you believe in and offer their help, but when they’re in, they just turn their back and say “I’ll let you sort it all out” while they play with even more “rules” to govern mine and other people’s lives?
Edit: I’m waiting for the/a revolution. Until then, I’ll keep going through college. Engineering will be great to know for when you actually have to know how to do stuff to survive again rather than just giving everything a value based on a shoddy market.
I would actually prefer health insurance to behave more like car insurance. More transparency to keep competition up and premiums down, covers unforeseen stuff but leaves regular stuff in the hands of the consumer, etc.
A revolution for what? Revolutionaries are often just as bad as the people they intend to replace. If you’re holding your breath for anything, you might as well hold it for a spontaneous decrease in human population. I can’t think of any system of government that was intended to handle a population of our size, no matter how good it is on paper.
I think people will always be dissatisfied with their government so long as it isn’t a direct democracy. But in the case of where America’s headed right now, I don’t really like it at all. I feel like the things that identify us as The United States of America are slowly diminishing away making us just less distinct. Our people’s pride is next to nowhere and there are many things to blame for this… Honestly, I’m starting to dislike the general public more so for letting themselves be brainwashed into believing anything viewed on any major news network.
Beyond that, with the healthcare reform, I think it’s just one of many things to come to completely send this nation into the crapper unless someone does something soon…
Oh yeah and I don’t want to get into any debates here - we all have our beliefs, don’t criticize mine and try to enforce your beliefs on me.
You don’t have to own a car, first and foremost. And if you don’t, you aren’t then required to pitch in for other peoples’ insurance whether you like it or not.
Quoted by TS:
“This thread doesn’t particularly interest me, but I think you’re missing the part where “free” healthcare isn’t free at all. You are literally jacking people’s money to pay for it. If handled poorly (and it may be), it has the potential to be a catastrophic financial drain.”
FYI, even pre-healthcare change shenanigans, the American public was still “paying” for the uninsured. Just in a less-direct way that increased costs, and was dangerous because it made people wait until their health issues were emergencies before reporting them to a doctor.
i find these discussions to be simply hilarious. i love how constitutional rights only become an issue when a dem president might be infringing upon them. i like how completely broken our senate is, i like how the minority of the population has been dictating to the majority what we can and can’t do (when we have been paying for your large highways and federally funded projects forever). i also love the fact that whenever healthcare is the topic of discussion the talks allways seem to drift into talks about deficits, debt and money, but when we talk about defense spending we only speak of the upsides or downsides to the program with no discussion of cost (it was the same thing for medicare part D and for bushes 2 trillion dollar tax cuts).
but most importantly of all, i love how the conservative argument seems to be “look at how shitty government was for the past 8 years, they couldn’t do anything right so we shouldn’t trust gov’t” which to me translates to “we suck at governing… therefor we shouldn’t trust government”… well maybe if you didn’t suck so bad at it government could be doing things correctly?
oh yeah and “democracy” is a farse in this country, when we have equal representation for wyoming as we do for california in the senate (hooray for a state with 70x the population of wyoming having equal voting rights with them). and because of this inequality between state populations it is much easier to hold a senate seat in a small state like wyoming than CA. so all the corporate interests have to do is buy up a few small state senators on the D side as well as all of them on the R side and with a minority of the population behind them can then dictate to the majority what it can and can’t do. (say hi to seniority rules deciding powerfull chairmanships… hopefully something to end on the democratic side of things).
and lastly i can’t stand all the fox level misinformation that i have to debate against non-stop, having debates with people who are immune to logic and facts is just awesome.
You mad.
Umm, you are aware that private insurance denies people life saving care every day, yes? And you are also aware that this bill doesn’t even contain a government public option? Least of all single payer?
Put down the Glenn Beck and walk slowly away from the television…