So, from the looks of it, U1 is still horrible

Switched over to U2 completely. Now used to doing certain combos with U2:

  • UDK > cr.mp xx Flashkick > FADC > U2

Takes two meters but the damage is definitely up there. Worth learning how to pull off. Mastering it is pretty difficult.

The only way you could have possibly done that is through that weird 1 frame glitch Gilley posted a while ago.

U1 can and always has autocorrected in certain circumstances. Check out this at 8:18, autocorrected U1 against a cross up psycho crusher (meaning nothing but an autocorrect could have worked).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd7GXvYqN3o

This is simply an example of what I showed in my unblockable video. You can get all of guile’s attacks to autocorrect if they’re aren’t done as reversal.

Pardon the ignorance- but why does it give a reversal in the video when it happens?

I’m actually the Guile in the video and I can do that consistently, I’m fairly amazed if it’s the same trick as it’s effectively a 1 frame link, correct?

Haha sorry, I’m completely blind :slight_smile:

I didn’t see the reversal message when I first looked at the video. This is one of the very rare(not so rare since bison’s do this all the time :rofl:) circumstances where wakeup reversal FK/U1/Super actually works and I think it’s more tied to the unusual hitbox/position of Bison during the psycho crusher. 99% of the time, Guile won’t autocorrect, like during meaty jump-ins. That’s what everyone complains about with his wakeup.

No prob, Just as long as I’m not an idiot :slight_smile: and yeah I know all about how sucky Guile’s wake up is.

As it happens, this used to be quite easy to do in AE, and was a great deterrent in my local tournaments to Bison cross up shenanigans. I’ve no idea what the changes to U1 and psycho crusher would do to it in Ultra. I suspect you’re still simply better off going U2.

Random Thoughts:

  • U1 may be alright against Bison since there aren’t a ton of opportunities for U2 and st.hp exfa cancel makes for decent come back damage off a scissors kick whiff neutral jump punish. Can even reasonably expect to land Red Focus after absorbing both hits of scissors. I also found out that when Guile is cornered, wake up lk super will land 1 hit if bison goes for simultaneous EX head stomp so I can turn around and combo U1 after but obviously that’s quite a guess/read.

  • Ultra-W may be legit for Dhalsim? Since one of U2’s biggest uses in this match is to cancel out Sim’s U1, U-W can still serve the same purpose while also giving the flexibility of reasonable dmg after a lucky juggle or focus crumple.

Been using U1 occasionally for some matchups like Cody and Feilong where U2 doesn’t seem especially useful outside of FK FADC (neutral jump combo to RFA U1 is a decent punish). I have to say I’m pretty saddened by the reduction of invincibility making anti-crossup U1 completely invalid if the opponent presses a normal as it just flat out loses now. I think the invinc nerf may have been directed specifically at this get-out-of-mixup utility of U1 and it just boggles my mind as to why since it only works against jumps at a specific time.

So did the buff of 1.04 make U1 better or nah?

lol they actually reverted… well it’s still kinda bad… just definitely a little less bad. The other day someone did Ryu HP DP on my wakeup and I did Wake Up Ultra… just lost cleanly.

Fully agree. Seeing every characters but Guile fully utilise their Ultra easily is seriouslly pissed me off. Ultra 1, Ultra 2, Double Ultra, they should have include 4th option - NO ULTRA!

You got to be kidding me.

I’m OP.

FADC comboable with decent damage, midscreen fireball punisher, empty jump punisher, excellent chip out option… Seems pretty versatile to me brah.

So did they revert the invincibility frames or the damage? A Gief beat my U1 with EX Green Hand today. I was so upset.

I think ultra 1 is good online because of all the random jumping going on. I think at the high level ultra 2 is better overall though.

Cl St.Hp RFADC into U1 is pretty damn good if you can’t execute FK FADC U2, gives you a good ~420 damage, they both do around the same amount of damage, but the first one costs 1 meter extra and you get less chance to land it.