Yeah. I find it amusing when people are utterly misinformed and ignorant. Makes me feel big.
A bitter Iron Man fan. You must be a devil with the ladies.
jesus talk about a disgruntled fanboy.
bet your hoping tony’s a skrull right now.
Stop hating on the Asian just because he’s absolutely right. Don’t you guys know? Haven’t you learned it by now?
You must defeat Shengy to stand a chance.
Trolling ftw. If you read comics, you’d say otherwise.
lol true…batman aiignt working on his own car thats for sure lol. ya know whats smart…he hires smarter people for him lol. remember when he had the retarded guy working on his car back in the late 90’s.
Yes, yes he is.
Harold.
His resurrection and subsequent execution is one of the many ridiculous stunts that I think typifies the quality of the storytelling in today’s comics. Come on. Harold, Batman’s former hunchback assistant, gets brought back with this giant dramatic flourish like we should all give a damn, then gets executed the very next moment? What mouth-breathing retard shat out THAT idea?
Oh, right.
whend he come back?
If you really want to know, even if it isn’t that great or important and potentially spoils something you haven’t read yet…
Spoiler
Hush.
doom isn’t as smart as reed flat out, no. his int is probably a few points shy (wow the geek is oozing out of my post) of reed. that being said, he’s got more knowledge in areas such as mysticism, a better grasp of how to get shit done (undercover, backstabbing mofucka), and he usually seems to know what’s up from what i’ve read of him.
considering his strong points vs weak points i’d say it would be arguable on them being tied or reed being smarter at all. that would, of course, boil down to what we define as “comic book character smarts” but whatever.
just to clarify for a few people who won’t understand my post: this was not intended to be a “doom is scientifically smarter than reed” post.
damn i have hush i need reread it.
Have you read any of the pre civil war recent FF arcs? Because IIRC the arc with Reed having to learn magic to beat doom pretty much counters everything you said.When I get a chance, I’lltake the issues out and quote them. I’m just a lazy fuck.
I don’t like that arc.
It pretty much destroys magic users credibility in the Marvel Universe when Mr. Fantastic could just learn some lines and be able to beat Doom and send him to hell.
I havent read that arc, just read some summary so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
Well, Doom did beat most of the magician candidates for sorceror supreme just by looking at them and learning from their mistakes. That and it was hinted in Doom 2099 Doom defeated/killed Richards.
I’m not a big fan of it either, but Doom all but flat out says “my mistake is trying to match you in science. I can’t win. But science isn’t my only tool like it is yours” etc. Something along those lines.
The thing that people like Shen Long seem to disregard is that doomk literally spends all his time plotting against Richards. All his time. And richards beats those plans ON THE FLY. Richards with 20 minutes > prep time Doom and yet people don’t want to give reed credit.
The difference maker in the Unthinkable arc was Dr. Strange, though. He saved Reed right there. He gave Reed the means to defeat Doom - all Reed had to do was say, “I’m an idiot” and Strange’s magical device would work some mojo and blow Doom away. That whole story was about pride and arrogance, not about matching scientific or mystical genius. And if Strange didn’t help Reed with the magic, the FF would have lost the battle.
Yeah, I don’t remember the specifics of it, but wasn’t it Dr. Strange that provided the magical means to beat Doom? Like Strange was the one that powered the spell, Reed was only the one that activated it.
I thought the whole point of that along with the bit where Reed was trapped in the magic book library and unable to figure a way out was that he didn’t know anything about magic, and that would always be something Doom had a leg up on him in.
Doom’s track record is pretty bad against Reed, granted, but that’s always something you gotta take in stride when you’re talking about comic books and superheroes beating supervillains. Plus, remember that one story where Reed and Doom switched, and Doom led the Fantastic Four to take out Reed?
I would think that Dr. Doom’s got a big leg up on Reed in other non-science fields as well, like politics, financials, combat strategy and tactics…and powerless, he could probably take him in a kung-fu fight as well.
What is the definition of “smartness” in the context of this thread?
Because if Peter Parker’s even mentioned here, then it obviously doesn’t mean that much in terms of booksmarts then.
i’m confused…are you saying parker isnt really smart in science?
Parker is gifted, but he’s nowhere near Reed or Stark’s intelligence, and shouldn’t be in the running for smartest person in comics.
Parker’s educational background isn’t as extensive as some of the other guys mentioned on this thread. He’s got a bachelor’s in physics I believe… while Richards writes PHd level papers in all fields on a daily basis.
Parker invented web-shooters. Stark invented the Iron Man armor.
Parker is like the nerd in your class that always gets the top grade. Reed is like Stephen Hawking.
Fixed.
He’s not. He’s a scientific genius compared to the bank robbers he fights and the general superhero, but to be considered in like the top 10 or top 20 of an entire comic book universe is not right.
I don’t get why everyone thinks Spidey’s an actual scientific genius. Did he ever even get that doctorate? Let’s say he has, so he has like PhD level smarts in biochemistry.
So how does that distinguish him from like the twenty million biochemistry doctorates in REAL LIFE? In what way does that put him above any of the THOUSANDS of random beekeeper lookalike AIM agents? The thousands of random scientists in HYDRA/SHIELD/Stark Enterprises, whatever?
Has Peter Parker ever come up with something other than the webshooters that prove anything about how smart he is? And even the web stuff he made was because he was given instinctual knowledge about that stuff from his powers. And honestly…webshooters? Things that shoot out pressured liquid really far? …yes, surely a crowning scientific achievement. Peter Parker’s claim to scientific genius is developing a high-tech version of silly string? Stop bringing that up - it HURTS his case.
There’s even tons of major Spidey characters that are smarter than him - Curt Connors, Dr. Octopus, The Osborns, The Jackal (ugh), Alistair Smythe…
Look at like Batman, Black Panther, Iron Man, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Terrific - they have like maybe one guy at most in their rogues gallery that are comparable in smartness.
…in fact, I’d offer that Peter Parker is actually pretty stupid if you think about it.
If Peter Parker is so smart, then why has he been the absolute poorest comic book character over the last forty years? Why does he have to work as a freelance photographer and a high school teacher, when like Ezekiel has managed to use his spider powers to craft like a $400 million company or whatever?
Shit, I make more money than Peter Parker ever has. If Peter Parker can’t figure out how to make more money than me, then how smart can he be?