Justice is an eye for an eye. social justice isn’t about social equality, the more honest sjws will openly admit that
Justice is not eye for an eye, that’s called revenge.
Don’t tell this to the dudes who took that red pill bullshit. They refuse to call it radicalization.
sending people to prison for wrong doing is revenge.
Not that I’m disagreeing with you as I believe some of their beliefs to be radical, but what in your viewpoint about their belief system is radical?
Actually it’s a money making scheme in America. It’s supposed to be a rehab center for people, but we use it as a money making scheme instead.
So no it’s not revenge. It’s garbage in it’s current form in America, but it’s not revenge.
Since you didn’t really explain this, let me go ahead and strawman you for a bit…
So if I cut out my neighbors eye, or better yet throw a stone at him knowing that it could inflict bodily harm (we weren’t playing, I was throwing it at him with intent to harm) and then the case gets issued to a judge and the judge says to me, “well since you knocked his eye out with a rock, the state is going to take one of your eyes as well as a form of punishment”
That’s revenge? Because that’s what an eye for an eye is. You do something and you get punished by having the same done to you.
It’s not a perfect tenet or great by any means, suppose that someone kills a persons daughter, the state then kills the perpetrators daughter? Doesnt seem like justice at all… so I’m not condoning eye for an eye.
But I think it’s pretty false to paint it as straight up revenge. It CAN be, but that doesn’t mean in every case that it is.
That is a terrible strawman example, even for you.
Why?
It’d be nice if people would stop taking it so literally and realize the 2 chief consequences of “eye for an eye” are equal protection under the law and the punishment fitting the crime. The revenge slant is a misinterpretation that doesn’t actually make that much sense as revenge seldom contents itself with just an eye for an eye.
It would take a month for me to explain to you how stupid your post was.
Plus getting into the biblical quote of Eye for a Eye is a stupid ugly topic, that for a number of reasons I will not get into in GD.
Keywords: lawfulness, righteousness
Key words: resentful, vindictive, retaliate
Justice is not Revenge and vice versa.
Very, very few governments in the world still take the “eye for an eye” philosophy in their Criminal Justice System.
The whole Death-penalty verdict is not to incur a “eye for an eye” mentality, the Punishment is supposed to be it self a deterrent.
And you can’t get more extreme with judicial punishment than DEATH.
The idea of prison since the beginning of time is a place to send people (often criminals) to be removed to society, the general public.
You remove criminals from society to protect the society and to serve the interests of the government.
The Death Penalty is just a more permanent means to remove someone from society. People can get out of prison, ever they serve their time, get released, get parole and get release or escape.
Kinda hard to escape your punishment once you are dead.
Yep, the whole eye for an eye passage is a oversimplification of Equity under the law. It is a concept as old as In the Code of Hammurabi, the oldest written legal code.
The intent behind the principle was to restrict compensation to the value of the loss.
And yet you pontificate on the ease of knowing why it was stupid…but it would take you a month to explain the stupidity…
Gonna call your bullshit for what it is, bullshit.
It’s not a terrible example just because it shits on your viewpoint, it’s a great example because it shits on your viewpoint, if indeed that is your viewpoint.
When “you dumb” “that’s dumb” “this is stupid” is your best argument. I assume you have no real argument at all but simply an objection.
objection overuled.
irrelevant post is irrelevant
No it stays. You are trying to equate eye for an eye with modern US criminal justice system.
Stay Strawman
I know i said an eye for an eye and that started everything but I wasn’t being totally literal.
I do think that justice attempts to right wrongs by punishment in most situations. More advanced countries don’t do literal “an eye for an eye.” but an aspect of revenge is definitely a part of punishment.
Revenge isn’t even apart of the legal code, the punishment is “supposed to” fit the crime. The punishment also supposed to be a deterrent, hence why minor crimes and misdemeanors are carried a fine instead of jail time.
Equity under the law, which restrict compensation to the value of the loss.
Hence why you can sue for damages, but is not able to sue more than your total loses.
Prison sentences are set to the severity and nature of the crime committed.
Prisons is to means to remove someone from society and serve the interest of the Government.
Justice is not to right wrong by punishment, but to restore that equity. This is often why people call prison time ‘paying your debt back to society’.
There was once a literal thing called “Debtor’s Prison” Where you are in prison and work to pay off your Debts.
You owe money, or is responsible for theft or destruction of property and can’t pay the damages, the state pays any reparations and then you are imprisoned till you can fully pay back the state.
I see you like to debate semantics.
Great. super productive. /sarcasm
We’re literally talking about the same thing. You just don’t seem to like the idea of punishment, but “restoring equity” uses punishment.
They are no way the same thing, and you know better than that.
Revenge is never about getting even, its about getting satisfaction. More often then not Revenge is getting back more than you lost as getting to equal is never enough.
Revenge is me breaking a guys legs and he may never walk again because he hit my sister once.
Revenge is killing someone over a public embarrassment.
Revenge is taking back more than you lost and trying to fill that emptiness in your self.
Revenge is not Justice as there at no point any equity. You always going to take back more than what was lost.
You skip the whole Judaical process and take matters in your own hands with Revenge.
Justice is meant to restore equity and a deterrent for future crimes.
Do government institutions take revenge sure, but they are always remembered for being barbaric and unjustified.
Look at the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings which still debated to this day.
Er, no, I’m not trying to equate eye for an eye with any current justice system.
You will take note that I never said such a thing, and that I said eye for an eye isn’t a tenet I would support.
I’m just saying it isn’t necessarily revenge. There’s an important distinction there.