Should I switch to wired connection for my PS3?

BumpyPickles · June 7, 2011, 3:34am

Naw Maniak I don’t play on PSN very much anymore just for the simple fact that I can never get a strong connection for matches. Just hit me up if you wanna play some casuals though I’ll tolerate the lag to see how your Guy has progressed. :tup:

BumpyPickles · June 7, 2011, 3:38am

Actually I have upgraded my connection recently. It’s not me lagging it’s every one else on PSN leaching off their neighbors internet. But then again it’s been so long since I’ve searched for a match out of area so maybe it has improved…hrm.:wtf:

Missing_Person · June 7, 2011, 3:41am

Or microwaves, or radios, or cordless phones, or even TVs. There are a lot of things that can cause interference.

Wired is the way to go for online gaming.

EricGGMusic · June 7, 2011, 3:43am

I play on wireless. No one complains about me lagging.

MWisk_2 · June 7, 2011, 3:44am

Wireless isn’t trustworthy for online gaming like fighting games. There are too many factors that interfere with the proper response of the connections, thus resulting in an overall laggier experience. I would recommend you to get a wired connection.

Get a wire and if you can make sure you have the proper ports are open to maximize your connection.

JDM98Ferio · June 7, 2011, 5:43pm

Yeah man! I play very little now due to work. I think I’ve gotten a little better I hope?

Moonchilde · June 7, 2011, 6:59pm

Sometimes it’s simply a matter of a poor ISP. For example, I could “upgrade” my current internet to a higher bandwidth plan, but that is bandwidth only. Not really what online gaming needs. Online gaming needs faster pings. If you ping high your connection will suck no matter how fast of a plan you buy from your ISP. I’m currently dealing with this and it sucks. I’ve played wired or wireless and it makes no difference anymore, it’s just the shitty ping times I get and my ISP can’t do anything for me.

Nemesys_Syndrome · June 7, 2011, 7:20pm

I play wireless as well. Heck, I stream wirelessly while I’m playing people wireless and I still get solid wins.

BumpyPickles · June 8, 2011, 2:49am

Hit me up this weekend sometime.

TrollThisSRK · June 13, 2011, 12:09pm

No you don’t. Theres no such thing as a perfect connection, and you’d undeniably have less lag with a wired setup. He’s entirely right. Playing people who knowingly lag/think they can torrent and play at the same time are either stupid or inconsiderate

ShinkuGadoken · June 13, 2011, 9:37pm

I’d explain exactly why I cannot play on a Wired connection, but your name leads me to believe you’re trollin’ me. So believe what you want, I’m using a Wireless connection until further notice and it becomes possible to actually play wired.

Sleazoid · June 13, 2011, 9:45pm

As far as speed goes, wired and wireless are about equal, unless you are using old ass wireless adapters/routers from 2008.

But wireless connections are more prone to interference, whereas wired connections are pretty much immune as long as there aren’t any animals or children who may trip on your wires.

Of course if your house is completely free of interference - no microwaves, no wireless home phone, no garage door opener nearby, perfect connection between your router and adapter - then the two would be equal. It sounds to me like OP has an ideal scenario for his wireless connection.

CLU_2 · June 13, 2011, 9:47pm

This is very much called for.

Packets drop on wireless connections more often than packets drop on street corners on The Wire.

Anyone who disagrees needs to either place at WNFs or else shut the fuck up until at P. Gorath’s level.

Also, anyone who plays fighting games over wireless is an asshole.

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TrollThisSRK · June 14, 2011, 12:52am

The only valid explanation is that you’re stealing internet. Getting an Ethernet cable to anywhere thats not a bomb shelter is easy.

TrollThisSRK · June 14, 2011, 12:54am

Yea thats why all the top players use wireless sticks at tourneys! Because its just as fast!!!1

This is just blatantly false. Wireless is NEVER as fast as wired. Ever. In SF4 even an extra 60th of a second makes a big difference.

ShinkuGadoken · June 14, 2011, 5:24am

Why are you being such a dick? Seriously man. I can’t play on a wired connection because I’m on the second floor and because of this particular room’s layout, I can’t run an ethernet cable down to the box. I’m fucked in that regard, so I’m stuck not playing on a wired connection. The fuck do you want me to do, not play Street Fighter online ever? Yeah, fucking great idea.

TrollThisSRK · June 14, 2011, 9:47am

You can’t get a cable in because of the layout of the room? LOL. Like I said getting an ethernet cable anywhere is super easy. My router is in my basement as well. You know what I did? I ran a cord up to my game room. You literraly just need a long cord and some staples, so sorry if I dont pity you and your hopeless situation.

Sleazoid · June 14, 2011, 9:55am

The reason tournaments don’t use wireless sticks is because they cause issues when people fail to de-sync their controllers from a console. Refer to Ryan Hart vs Gandido: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAsUqN1KPjw

It has nothing to do with wireless being laggy or inferior, though it is coincidental that the only wireless stick (T6 bundle stick) happens to be garbage.

As for your second point,

Do wireless 360 and PS3 pads lag? Any reason to stick to a wired PCB?

SIXAXIS vs. Cthulhu:
I gotta admit it, I was wrong. I expected the SIXAXIS to be laggy, and everything I did says it isn’t.

If anyone needs more detail, I’ll go into it, but the general setup was like this: I used a pullup resistor with a small tactile switch on a breadboard, that would connect to ground when pressed. The signal was sent to a 74HC14 Shmidt trigger inverter; it would invert the signal so that the signal was high when pressed, and low when not pressed, plus being a Shmidt trigger, it should even out the bouncing that a normal switch always does. That signal went to two of the input on a 4066N analog switch (yes, I do love that chip.) so that whenever the signal went high (i.e., it was pressed) it would take a pair of wires and connect them together; in this case, it was connecting two pair: one from a Cthulhu board, and one from a SIXAXIS graciously loaned for this testing from ShinJN. So, in short, press the little blue tactile button, and both PCB’s would see a button press at the exact same, down to the nanosecond. I dont mean nanosecond as an exageration, I mean one billionth of a damn second.

I loaded up VF5, went into versus, and recorded four matches. All are with the SIXAXIS as P1, Cthulhu as P2.

Goh vs El Blaze : Sixaxis was connected to the PS3 with a USB cable. Standard Cthulhu.

Goh vs Aoi: Sixaixs was played wireless, standard Cthulhu

Eileen vs Aoi: wireless Sixaxis, Cthulhu using 5k ohm pullup

Eileen vs Vanessa: wireless Sixaxis, Cthulhu using 1ms refresh.
I have the replays saved; the four replays are about a 7.5 meg zip file, which is a little too large for me to host. If someone wants a copy, or can host them, let me know and I’ll email them.

These are the most boring replays you could ever possibly see. When the test button is pressed, it pressed X on both pads. P1’s controls were changed for arcade stick use, which P2 wasn’t, so P2 always won because he was always punching while P1 was always blocking. But, the information we need isn’t in the fight; turn on Command Display during the replay and watch; it will show the time between the commands (i.e. how many frames when the button isn’t pressed) and the duration of the commands (i.e. how many frames the button was pressed). That my friends is the real data. I’d do seven or so presses of the button, and then wait for time to run out, and I’d often press down on the cthulhu in the final seconds of the first round just to be 100% sure which character was controlled by which PCB.

In short, they were dead on, and it didn’t matter if the SIXAXIS was connected via USB or not. I have no way of knowing if the Sixaxis still communicated wirelessly when plugged or not, but it doesn’t really matter. About one in six of the presses would show a single frame difference, usually in the release of the button (which is weird to me). In the first few tests, I got the impression the difference in the release times was happening more with the Cthulhu than the Sixaxis, like they would press at the same frame, but the Cthulhu release would happen a frame later than the Sixaxis more often than the Sixaxis would release after the Cthulhu. The third test used a lower resistance pull up resistor to try and help with the return to neutral, but test 3 didn’t show any noticable improvement. In test 4, I changed the Cthulhu code to update the PS3 with the status of the buttons every 1 millisecond instead of every 10 milliseconds (16.6 times per frame instead of 1.6 times per frame). That appeared to help; there were frames recorded where the Cthulhu registered the press a frame before the Sixaxis. There were frames going the other way as well, so I think it was an improvement, but the race is still a tie to me.

In short, both the Cthulhu and Sixaxis are, in my opinion based on these tests, neck and neck. I’ll be using the 1ms updating code in all of the boards I send from here on out; no one will notice the change, I dont care how hardcore you are, but it will make me feel better sending them out with that extra 0.001% advantage. What I can say for sure is that anyone using a Sixaxis as the core of their board has nothing to fear from latency. I am seriously impressed with Sony that they were able to pull that off; I did not expect it to perform that well at all. I don’t know whether to feel sad that my board didn’t wipe the floor with the sixaxis, or proud that my board goes toe to toe with Sony engineering. shrug

As always, I’m open to questions.
A few pictures of the setup
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7017/dsc03191smalllt2.jpg

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8140/dsc03192smallky3.jpg

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/4584/dsc03193smalloa2.jpg
For those who don’t know, a little explanation. The whire numbers on the outside are the number of neutral frames before input. The yellow numbers on the inside are the number of frames the input was pressed. So the very first input was seen on the same frame by both PCB’s, but the button release was seen one frame earlier on the sixaxis than the cthulhu. The second press was seen at the exact same time (4+100 = 5+99) for the exact same number of frames on both. The third press was seen a frame earlier on the Cthulhu than the Sixaxis, and they both saw the release on the same frame. Fourth, fifth, and sixth inputs were identical on both, while the Cthulhu saw the release of the seventh input a frame before the sixaxis.

Edit: All tests were performed about 18 inches from the PS3. Im just being clear incase it turns out distance for the wireless affects latency.

Here’s my source, rigorous testing done by the most trusted and reputable member of SRK’s tech talk, and producer of the PCB that powers thousands of PS3 sticks.

Where’s your source?

TrollThisSRK · June 15, 2011, 12:34am

My source is this is irrelevant because the topic is wireless INTERNET routers not pads that use an entirely different signal/system?

If you think wireless internet is as efficient as wired for gaming you’re ignorant or stupid. Thats just a fact. Watch beyond the game: grubby goes on about how wireless is bad even for games like warcraft and he’s spent more time gaming online than just about anybody.

Way to waste your time.

Moonchilde · June 15, 2011, 1:08am

LOL, you really are trolling here.