The first post didn’t make it clear, but if you click on the link, it’s obvious that not only did the piece of shit criminals rob this man, they also assaulted and beat him;
So for all you fucking idiots claiming he committed “murder”, this is pretty much the textbook definition of self-defense. If robbers invade your home and are beating you up, you have a right to shoot them. There is also a good chance that he had not fired he would have been dead himself.
And most of you hypocritical assclowns calling this “murder” would have done the same.
I don’t know why that would make it any better other then the latter falling conveniently within the confines of the law. Outside of that, it really doesn’t change anything.
As for your counter question. If they stopped messing with him for 5 years and he still hunted them down and killed them then yes I feel like that would be wrong.
I’ll put it this way, lets say a gang member shot up my house 3 times trying to kill me. The cops aren’t doing shit. Lets say they failed to kill me all 3 times but then on the fourth time I was more prepared and somehow got the upper hand. Would I be wrong to chase them down and finish them off to make sure they don’t come back a to hurt me a fifth time?
That’s why it being IN the house or what not is arbitrary to me. What difference does it make when your life is in danger. None of that shit makes a difference when your in the dirt.
That part of the testimony is not in dispute. The man was assaulted and robbed, yes.
When he shot the lady, he was not in imminent danger - they off of his property and were fleeing. Imminent danger is one of the key differences between self-defense and murder.
An unarmed woman begging for her life at gunpoint is not of any lethal threat.
Beautiful thing about laws is that it doesn’t matter what we would have done.
Did he deserve to have his home invaded, his person assaulted, and his rightfully earned possessions taken against his will? I do not believe so.
did he deserve to have his life endangered by these people? Not in my book.
Does he have to go by some rulebook if the person burglarizing his home happens to be a pregnant woman? I’m fairly sure there is no law stating such a thing.
Does he have to activate some sort of mercy mode if the criminal states that she is pregnant? NOPE!
…oh shit. it turns out she WASN’T preggy!! :rolleyes: jeez. the criminal scum who attempted to rob his house is ALSO a liar!!! Who’d a thunk it?
You know, if you don’t go into a person’s house without permission, you have less chance of them wanting to shoot you for it.
In this scenario, if the woman was NOT attacking him, then yes. If he saw her and she attacked, then it would depend on what lead to her ending up shot.
(Oh, so she wasn’t actually pregnant. How surprising.)
Yeah, California’s self-defense laws are pretty stringent from what, admittedly little, I know about them. Even if she was actually on the property when she got shot, he could still be charged unless it was proven she was an active threat. That’s mostly the reason I’m calling this possibly “murder” because that’s what the law might call it; that or manslaughter if they decide to charge him.
Either way, I’m not going to lose sleep over whether he gets charged or not, especially since even for the people who want him to get charged for some reason, he’ll probably get a reduced sentence between the circumstances and his age. I don’t think it was necessarily still “self-defense” since they had apparently stopped attacking him and were fleeing, but I’m certainly not against it either in this instance, especially given the other, far more egregious instances of “self-defense” people have gotten away with in other states.
Counter-counter question: Are/were you actually serious in asking this? There’s a distinct temporal difference between someone “getting away” for about the span of a minute and the span of–does the math–two million, six hundred twenty eight thousand, sixty minutes, which only assumes one leap year as it is.
During one of those spans of times, it’s actually possible for you to have gotten at least token assistance from the police who weren’t there, for one. I’ll leave you to guess which.
Ok, taking away anything about gender and whatnot, the scenario goes as follows:
Robbers break into victim’s house, beat the shit out of victim.
Victim gets ahold of a gun, robbers freak and run. Victim gives chase.
Upon exiting the property, one robber trips, allowing the victim to catch up.
Knowing the risks at this point to keep fleeing, robber gives up. Victim shoots the robber.
That’s a really clear cut case of voluntary manslaughter, possibly 2nd degree murder. The robber had given up. If the robber had attempted to use that as a ruse to attempt to keep running, and then got shot for it, that’s one thing. But the robber was willing to go to jail at that point. Victim should have marched the robber’s ass by gunpoint back to where a phone was and called the police. If the robber had attempted something during that point, shoot away.
This scenario, once again, is not taking anything into account other than the facts. No politics. The politics are irrelevant.
That said, dude probably gave no fucks at that time 'cause he’s fucking 80. What, are they gonna give him a life sentence? Shit’s likely to be over in 2-3 years, tops, and he’d be spending it in something more like a home more than a prison cell.
I find hillarious that Srkers barely know about the games they play yet try to act like if they know about the law
Do you have ever heard about mitigating and agravating factors?
The law is not just black or white you dumbfucks. I am fucking glad that his future is nit in the hands of anyone of you you fucking assclowns.
those fuckers had it coming. they robbed this man three times already, then assaulted him.
as for her pregnancy, shes not pregnant. Even if she was, using her pregnancy as an excuse is the biggest cop-out.
lastly, do we really need her gene pool to continue? these two degenerates have no morals and most likely, their offspring is going to go down the same path as they do.
(Even as cynical as I am about the law, I’m pretty sure it’s not just “because they can”.)
Is it arguably a pretext to put someone in jail or prison who may rightfully “deserve” to be there? Definitely.
Is that kinda bullshit given how overcrowded our prisons are already and even though he’s being charged with other stuff as he should be? Arguably.
Did he, her fellow male co-burglar, help directly cause the situation that led up to her death short of tripping her and pulling the trigger himself? Yes.
Having said that, I’d now find it darkly amusing if it came out that the male burglar did trip her in an attempt to slow down the old man. There may be “honor” among thieves, but there’s definitely none among drug addicts or whatever these people were (read: idiots).
I’m 210 and in better shape than most and when I bone-bruised my collarbone I would’ve been in no condition to run anybody down. That old man is a beast.
Meh
the way I see it every thing kinda worked itself out
very much a grey area situation
I will say the expense of pursuing full criminal action against the old guy probably isn’t worth it in this case
He’s 80 years old. They could have very, very easily ended up killing him, forget breaking into his home in the first place and trying to steal his shit.
I don’t give a fuck how he ended up blowing her away. If he found them both on the street a couple weeks later and pulled out his gat I still wouldn’t have a problem with it.
When you’ve got it coming, you’ve just got it coming. Personally I probably wouldn’t have killed either of them unless I had to, but who the fuck do you think you are to judge this guy? Are you 80 years old and frail? Have you been burgled four fucking times? Do you even know the kind of anger or fear that can put in you? I have no reason to believe that he’s anything but a decent guy pushed too far by some fucking dickheads who were happy enough to victimize and brutalise a vulnerable old man.
If this were an 80 year old lady who shot and killed a man after he beat her up none of you hypocrite pussies would’ve had zero. Count. ZERO. Fucking issues with it.
White bitches stay wearing heels at the worst time. When they remake this into a lifetime special Imma make sure and scream at the tv screen when it gets to the part were she is running for her life.
