You’re actually a fucking idiot, dude. I’ve spent a long time giving you the benefit of the doubt by reading your posts when they’re in threads I’m in and ignoring your lack of reading comprehension or your innate ability to pick a tiny point out of a huge ass post, but there is a point (this one) where I have to stop and call it what it is: you’re as dense as shit. Besides, firing a round into the air is a whole fucking lot better than missing your target and putting a round into someone else’s house.
In the interest of ensuring you understand my point, I’ll reiterate it for you. He did not need to shoot either of the crooks. AT ALL. Because, again, I can safely speak for 100% of the currently mentally healthy population of the world when I say no one wants to get shot if they can avoid it. I mean, I don’t know about you but, if I see a nigga with a gun, whether he was with me or not, I’m fucking running.
*Edit: To answer The Damned’s question (since no one else will), I don’t want the old homie to get charged, but I’m trying to be as objective as I can about it. I know that this shit is a slippery slope, b. If this dude gets off scot-free, where is the line drawn? How far/long can you pursue someone and claim self-defense?
Can we establish exactly where this “alley” was first? It really seems like this is an issue of where she was killed and not why she was killed. The alley couldn’t have been far.
The alley runs behind his house and along his yard. It’s one of those alleys that allows people to have their driveways behind their houses and allows builders to stick houses six fucking inches away from each other in some places.
Oooooh, it’s RIGHT next to the house, huh? Yet, people are acting like he chased her for 3 blocks. It might as well have been his front lawn.
Yup, self defense. I’m not accepting that bullshit argument anymore.
What’s left? The fact that she ran, which apparently makes his level of danger zero? Still calling bullshit on that too, since ANYONE with a brain is going to run from a gun pointed at them. That doesn’t mean they were no longer a danger to him, and they’re not getting a pass just because they ran. With that logic, I can do whatever I want to someone and they can’t react as long as I run away afterwards. Sounds stupid, doesn’t it?
If someone is running away from you for any reason, are you defending yourself by chasing them, even two steps? If you have the ability to CHOOSE THE SLOWER OF TWO TARGETS MOVING AWAY FROM YOU AT SPEED, are you still defending yourself or out of control of the situation?
Don’t tell me about the law… I know what it is. I’m questioning it. I don’t agree with it. However, I do understand it. I just think it’s wrong.
Yes, you are. They’re running because you’re defending yourself, which is why this argument doesn’t make any sense. What you’re trying to do/advocate is the limitation of what you’re allowed to do to defend yourself. As long as your attacker backs off or runs away, you can no longer retaliate in any way or you’re breaking the law. Do you know how easy it is to abuse that fact? Someone can punch you in the face and run off, and all you’re allowed to do is tell on them and hope they get caught, which they won’t because they…well, ran off and you couldn’t give chase. The law is favoring the criminal at that point, protecting them and not you.
I understand what you’re saying, but those limitations are a double-edged sword. They’re there for a reason and also open to potential abuse. If you whoop my ass and run away and I don’t have a gun but I can’t catch you, what’s the difference if I just don’t chase you at all? If you whoop my ass and I go back to my car for the banger while you’re gloating about the asswhooping you just delivered, and you see it and run, am I still allowed to claim self defense or ‘stand your ground’ if I shoot you? I mean, I physically left the situation and the threat of imminent injury has passed.
I ask that because if I AM, why is that black chick in Florida serving time for doing this WITHOUT shooting her husband? These laws and limitations are definitely open to abuse, but at the same time, they are there to prevent retribution killings. If you click the links I posted, nowhere in them will you see anything about defending yourself AFTER a crime was committed against you.
If you can’t catch me, you can’t catch me. The difference is, even if you can catch me, you shouldn’t chase me and return the favor because you’d be in the wrong…somehow…according to law.
That depends on what I whooped your ass for, as well as other factors. Like, say you attacked, jumped, or mugged me… If I manage to get away and find a means to defend myself, it’s fair game. However, if we got into an argument that ended up escalating into a fight and I went to get a gun because I lost, THEN it’s wrong. I probably didn’t use the best examples due to my mind being all over the place right now, but that’s how I look at it. Specific factors need to be taken into consideration… Laws should be applied on a case-by-case basis, they shouldn’t be black and white.
You’re arguing based on what the law says, not what’s right or wrong. The law is fucked up. Fact.
Now, that right there is definitely a post I can agree with. Laws are fucked up, no matter which side of them you’re on. They’re only less fucked up if you’re on the winning side in court.
That lady in florida is in jail for shooting a gun in an apartment building. Which could have killed someone else on the other side of the wall/floor/ceiling/door or whatever. It was extremely irresponsible of her to do that. I’m not saying that its right or wrong when compared to this case. But it was irresponsible of her to do that.
1: That wasn’t her house. She violated a restraining order to go there without a police escort
2: Stand your ground went out the window when she choose to pass an unlocked door she could’ve escaped from just to go to the garage, grab her gun, walk back in and do her impression of Bettina Bad-ass “I got’s somethin’ fo yo ass NOW!” and fire a “warning shot” a couple feet past Rico’s left shoulder into the kitchen. One of the dude’s KIDS was right there beside him when she did that.
Summary: She wasn’t trying to escape and had the opportunity. She just wanted to try to intimidate the dude in his OWN house, and she was there illegally and she irresponsibly discharged a firearm. This is entirely on her. She got such a heavy sentence after turning down the 3 years because it was decided that, hell, she already disobeyed a sitting judge by violating her own restraining order to cause this, she will most likely violate her parole, too. She shoulda taken the 3…but she doesn’t strike me as very smart in the first place. Her entire history with Rico Gray is a good indicator. The vagina is no longer a “Get out of trouble caused by your own stupidity free” card…and women don’t like that. waits for Crucades to show up with his/her inevitable “disagree” tag
so i should be able to just run up and kick u in the balls and it’s cool as long as i run away for a few steps? What if i do it over and over by your logic u have no right to respond
[quote= Also, apparently, she was released in November because the judge fucked up and said it was up to her to prove her innocence (it isn’t). [/quote]
lol that would explain a lot judges don’t know the law
You’re the fucking idiot you fucking dip shit. What goes up must come down, so if the bullet hits or kills somebody because he shoot in the air, the bullet isn’t going to simply come back down in where he fired from. The fact that you don’t take into account that if he did that, the trajectory of the round would be parabolic (which its fucking obvious to anybody with a high school diploma), and any wind will move that round in any direction.
So now by shooting into the fucking air, he could potentially kill somebody. Because it’s better to not kill people, but killing them by accident is only slightly better.
You’re the dumb ass who doesn’t even understand basic physics of trajectories. So how in the fuck am I the dumb ass for calling you out on your dumb ass fuck statement. Only a moron who has never fired a weapon, nor has taken the time to look up basic safety information would cling to this dumb ass logic.
"iT’S BETTER TO SHOOT A ROUND IN THE AIR THAN SHOOT SOMEBODY!
Fucking dumb fuckboi logic that results in bystanders getting shot by accident because you demand people to “incapacitate” or “warn” others. Thank you for proving my point though dumb shit, the idiocy that comes from “progressive” people such as yourself is beyond fucking comprehension.
And for the pick and choosing part?
Why would I repeat myself to the consistent stream of shit that flows from idiots like yourself, who clearly don’t believe that one’s immediate safety is irrelevant when the lives of trash are at stake. I’ve already addressed your idiotic points before in this thread in other posts, and or other threads.
So go EAD, and go get educated you dumb piece of shit. People like you are no better than the shit that died, because you demand that people put themselves in further danger by hesitating and giving people a chance to react to threats.
Yea, “warning” shots are generally a bad idea. The bullet is going to end up somewhere, no matter where they fire it. People have died from stray bullets changing trajectory and coming back down because some fools decided to let off in the air on the 4th of July. A few years ago, there was an incident in NY where a stray bullet ricochet’d off of a stop sign and ended up in the head of a little girl who was just chilling in her house. It’s the possibility of situations like these that made what that woman did dumb as shit. I definitely don’t agree with the initial charges/sentence, but I understand why they came to that conclusion.
Anyway, I’m fully aware that the bullet will have to come back down. I know how gravity works and a bullet ain’t a rocket. I’m also aware that the path would be parabolic and would be affected by things such as angle of fire and wind direction, but I also know that the bullet would fall with a lot less power than it went up with and the round wouldn’t even penetrate flesh on it’s path down, SINCE IT WAS A FUCKING .22. We’re not talking about a fucking heavy-ass .50 round potentially blowing limbs off and busting bunkers on it’s way down. Bullet weights are measured in grains. There are ~7000 grains in a pound. The actual projectile from a .22LR round weighs, at it’s heaviest, 40gr. Lemme show you something. One oz is 437.5gr. This bullet weighs just over 1/10 of an ounce.
But you know what? I’ll give you that. The warning shot is a bad idea. Firing a gun in a city is always a risk. Even if you know you’ll hit your target. Unless the bullet comes to rest in your target, there’s a risk. It is what it is.
As for the picking and choosing part? You NEVER responded to that. NOT FUCKING ONCE in this thread. I just went back in another tab to actively seek out a post from you in which that point is addressed. I’m not going into an unrelated thread to find a fucking post by you about the topic of this one. That’s stupid. If you can’t keep your posts on this topic in this thread, you have a reading comprehension problem as I have previously stated.
@grumpy64 You clearly did not read EITHER of the links I posted. You even QUOTED me and left the links in the quote to show that you didn’t read any part of them. Which, I guess, is cool. You can chase until the threat has passed. You can respond with like force if the threat is still there and real. A person who has been harmed by a person can pre-emptively attack a would-be attacker if the threat is real, as long as the threat is neutralized.
So if you kick me in the balls and backdash, I can get up and catch you and kick you in the nuts. I can’t get up and shoot you. If you kick me in the nuts and run around the block while I’m on the ground, well I hope my memory of what you look like is good enough because the threat of danger has passed and now it’s in the cops’ hands.
What a dumb shit, go take an introductory class in physics, it doesn’t even need to be science major oriented physics course.
If I throw a ball from my hand going 20 mph the instant it leaves my hand, when the ball falls back down, it’s going to be going 20 mph when it comes back from it’s point of origin.
Also, Kinetic Energy is exponential you dumb ass, but it’s obvious you don’t know what that is
You should also re read what I said originally. I said it clearly the dumb shit people like you spew on “firearm” safety and use. Which is now even more obvious and apparent for everybody to see.
Also, keep thinking a .22 can’t do damage, and think that all .22 are created equally f@gg0t
Also, since you can’t read or remember
You Said,
I responded with
The facts are,
He’s outside his house so there’s nothing for the bullet to hit but to go up till gravity wins
He’s outside and lives near the beach so there’s always some wind
You said it’s OK to fire shots into the air
You are a fucking idiot for thinking this is OK, and an even bigger for rationlizing your idiotic idea by thinking a .22 can’t penetrate skin or kill a person when it falls back down.
You’re very bad at this and you’ve proved my point regarding the shit that comes out of peoples mouth
I actually addressed the entire idiocy of this post, because the point was “sane people wouldn’t shoot people they fire warning shots”. I don’t understand how this is that hard for you. That was the only point in your post, and I’ve addressed this same idiocy and willful ignorance regarding firearm safety and use in all threads where morons like you say the shit you just said.
EDIT 3: IF it’s still not painfully obvious to you, sane people wouldn’t fire warning shots, nor is it “better” to do what you said. It’s actually worse because you endager not only yourself, but bystanders as well.
P.S
Those healthy people wouldn’t steal from a house, nor attack a elderly man for standing up for himself. I don’t know how I missed that one, I guess I can only process so much stupid before it becomes a blur.
Ayo. I’ve already conceded on the warning shot point. In addition, things don’t maintain speed when rising. That would prove gravity doesn’t exist. So, if you threw a ball at 20mph straight (or as near as possible to straight) up, it would not be going 20mph when it began its descent because, if it was, it wouldn’t be making its descent. It would still be rising, no matter what the trajectory ends up being.
You STILL have not addressed the picking and choosing point. Not even once.
*Edit: Mentally healthy broke people rob all the time, nigga. Mentally healthy people do all sorts of illegal things when they perceive a lack of legal recourse, nigga. None of them want to be shot, though. I can’t name a single mentally healthy person who does a thing and, though aware of any consequences, wants those consequences to happen. Yeah, she made her bed. She didn’t go there thinking, “I think I should be shot tonight. Maybe I’ll stick around and hope this guy comes home and shoots me.”