that was what they want us to think about but kinda unlikely.
Rose, Poison or Roxy, Makoto and Oro, Gorilla is coming.
Giving in to all the crying
Oh noes my top tier character that got buffed for two seasons got nerfs now! Clearly its Capcom just giving in to crybabies now the character is ruined!
Like cut me a break now
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I love the “worse Karin” bit, like, hello? Half the roster has been a worse Cammy for years
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Karin also doesn’t approach from the air.
Comparing Cammy to Karin is like comparing Laura to Alex.
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Such is the power of his presidentiality. He probably wouldn’t need to shut down the government just to get a wall built.
There have been flickers where I was tempted to use him and just shit damage everywhere. I don’t have that unga heart to make it work but I the VT1 shit sure is impressive.
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It’s their difference, Karin kill you from ground and Cammy from air, but at the end they’ll trying to make you guess about the throw. In S3 Cammy was a bit too strong on the ground for an aerial character like her, now Capcom did a good job to differentiate the two.
Only nerf that went too far on Cammy was the crlp nerf.
The throw nerf is alright, she still gets good meaty options in the corner, she just can’t loop as easily.
Reason cammy got gutted imo is that she doesn’t really have the threat of throwing you once you’re cornered.
She throws you, then she has to walk a mile to get in that ass again, which means a lot of risks and reads to continue the pressure
Having corner pressure is a fundamental aspect of street fighter, always has been, watering cammy’s corner game that much is such a big nerf that I think she’s mid tier at best now.
It was such an unnecessary nerf too, they weren’t actual legit throw loops but they were at least something.
Same way ken got gutted hard. Not every character is bison or guile with prolonged auto-pilot corner pressure to keep you there forever
I don’t get behind the complaints of corner pressure and throw loops. Your ass got outplayed and cornered, you deserve to hold some mixups.
Unpopular opinion, some characters even need corner throw loops. Not necessarily cammy, but you know what I mean.
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Crlp nerf is the only thing that was an overnerf IMO. Mash your jab whenever it’s blocked and she lost her tick throw.
The throw nerf itself isnt too bad because her corner options are still good post throw.
That crlp nerf should be reverted though. Throw loops are bad, characters really don’t need true throw loops on top of good meaty options. Making the throw jabbable but require a microwalk so you can threaten button/throw is more than enough in a game like V. And because of how true loops work, it’s impossible to have a throw loop without the strong meaty.
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Really hate that bitching on social media seems to have an impact on balance changes
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Reason I found Cammy was so strong was that she had such an easy time sustaining her momentum because arrow gave her easy dash oki, and it got you to corner. Stack that on with VT arrow slapping on easy dash oki too and offering a free get in at an easy twice a round pop and she had such strong consistency in a game where consistency is kinda scarce among the roster.
Taking away her tick throw entirely is mad dumb though, the stun nerfs and throw nerf were more than enough to keep her contained. Removing the throw game entirely is such a stupid decision. I hope 4.5 swoops in and alters just a couple more things, namely Juri/Cammy.
Idk. Top player community seems to think she’s still really good. Kbrad says top 5 still for example
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-Cammy had a lot of fucked up things she didn’t need tbh.
- Did she need to be able to combo her TC from a 3F cr.LP ? Hell no.
- Did she need to have amazing walkspeed, amazing DP anti-air, amazing st.HK that hits behind her AND B.Mp also anti-airing ? no.
- With a 3F light like that, an ex DP. Did Cammy need a side switch V-reversal that was only -4 on block ? Given how strong her corner game was, and how eating a light punish is usually nothing for the most part, that was a great trade off.
- Does Cammy need a frame 1 anti fireball tool ? Hell fucking no. A character with her aerial approach ability, walkspeed and buttons doesn’t need to have a frame 1 anti-fireball tool, not in the slightiest and not even in VT.
Here what i don’t get, Capcom overdid the nerf in the dumbest direction, a 0 on block jab is retarded. The throw range…IDK, maybe a bit much since they reduced her stun but the V-reversal nerf is very much deserved.
I would have taken the ability to actually fireball her and have her jab not lead to big damage and the reduced stun,over this dumb direction Capcom decided to go in.
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This guy gets it.
You fight for the middle ground and avoid the corner in ALL fighting games. When a character is no longer scary when they corner you then its a problem.
I just can’t get behind any of the complaints about Cammy etc… No top tier got the season 1 treatment. They also are or have been consistently good for several seasons now. They can hold these nerfs for one or hell even half a season if another half patch is done. They had their time to shine and quite frankly still can in their current state.
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Either way Cammy is still better than Ken after losing her pseudo corner loops and Ken was still worse than Cammy is now before he lost his throw/ loops.
I’d still argue Cammy is slightly better than Karin regardless. Both characters do enough similar things but Cammy still protects the air better than Karin does and dive kick still too important to force neutral in situations that Karin has trouble doing.
Yeah I don’t know why you would think otherwise. She still is better at playing SFV’s neutral than most other characters regardless. Until they take that plus 3 s.MP from her and slow down her 6F s.HP she isn’t going much anywhere. c.HP still becomes a neutral bomb once she gets VTC.
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I agree with majority of the post, but cmon dude, why would Ken have throw loop when he has amazing corner carry? You don’t even have to get outplayed to end up in the corner.
I put the “Cammy is terrible now” group alongside the “Rashid is unplayable in season 3” group. She got nerfed, yes. That’s not the equivalent of being terrible.
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I dunno. Cammy would still seem scary to me in the corner do to her having some of the best buttons in the game. Easy auto pilot oki is dumb anyway, especially when it’s so relevant to the meta
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Cobelcog explaining how chain cancelling c.LP into s.LP gives her back pressure midscreen
Pretty much. She’s like where Sakura is now where you’re not going to get any throw loops stuff, but you’ll have the buttons and walk speed to get in again. It’s not like Ryu where he just (at least before) didn’t have to tool to threaten after corner throw. Once Cammy throws you in the corner you have to sit on that down back or else take c.MK spiral arrow or c.LK chain into spiral. Which once she walks inside of that range on your downback she has another throw threat.
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