I’ll keep my mouth shut then
Could be different in S4 after nerfs to VT1
I rank current Ryu higher than Abigail.
My top 3 for previous season was akuma, Cammy and guile as menat had too many losing matchups. Hell I’ve always been hesitant to say she’s top 5 because of that. Still in top 10 but not by much.
I mean, he said that Chun beats Juri and you wouldn’t find a single Chun in the globe that will tell you its a good MU.
Ask Darklight, Jin, or any Chunner who play or talk here and tell em that and they will laugh at you for saying it.
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I have no idea if Juri is good but i dislike the argument that goes along the lines of having to whiff a store is a huge risk.
A store is like 30 frames total. For refference Zeku stance switch is 25 frames. The ibuki plus on whiff sthk in season 3 was 28 frames. Theres medium buttons in the game with around 30 total frames or more.
If you make the argument that they arent good or whatever cool, but getting them isn’t as much of a hassle as you guys are making it seem.
Having well rounded matchups means much less than having favourable meta MUs but thinking Menat isn’t top 3 in S3 is nuts, considering she had no poor MUs.
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Birdie’s can is 50 frames total but it is such a commitment that Birdie players never use it.
Previous season I’d say she lost to rashid, necalli, ibuki and bison(possibly Cammy too). I’d say she has even more losing matchups now with vt1 nerf and low tiers getting buffed.
Akuma, Cammy, guile and rashid all had better matchups than menat season 3.
Again an over simiplification that store = birdie can/Zeku stance change
Juri has to store for access to neutral control tool and oki tool, meaning it has to be up constantly. Which results in stores being a frequent occurrence. Idk if you’re ever played neutral but when a high frame count move has to be used consistently for a character to function it becomes much easier to get opportunities to punish it, and Zeku/Birdie don’t lose the ability to stay on top of people due to not having used them.
But hey bIrDieS cAn iS ThE SaME
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I’ll be honest, that VT still has a lot of robbery in the tank.
3-Bar nerf doesn’t hurt as much because Menat often only gets to pop it once anyway.
Most of Menat’s damage comes from balls hitting your chin as you try to get in.
In fact, I don’t think Menat will fall off too much. I dunno how the new meta will treat her, but she still has that Top Tier stench.
You think Menat lost to Bison? Lolwat
Everything is an oversimplification to you, apparently Juri players are doing some advanced calculus here while they are playing.
Juri absolutely a better character than Laura. Ryu is debatable after the buffs, but she was also absolutely a better character than Ryu in Season 3. She was probably comparable to Ken in Season 3 too.
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Made it more accurate
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Menat v bison is a shit matchup for both of em. But imo it’s slightly in dicator favor.
No I’m just saying your arguments being brought up are shallow and offer no credibility
Comparing Birdie can to the problems stores introduce to her gameplan is fucking stupid. Nobody said it was the frame count being an issue, but it IS part of a larger problem.
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??? How do you think that at all
well Ryu’s fireball is 47 frames total so I guess it’s actually worse than Juri’s stores
45f now in S4, Juri store is only like 30f
To be fair, if Bison gets in, Menat is getting hentai’d. He can pin characters with good defense down, imagine what he does to the likes of Menat.
Problem is, he gotta commit. He sure as hell ain’t walking her down, so it all comes to jank like VS Fireball and hope she doesn’t react in time so you can dash in on the KD or yolo EX DR.
I’d still call it 5.5 Menat at worst tho.