Why aren’t we talking more about Topanga League? Best tourney this year so far imo. Favorite matches so far was MOV vs Bonchan. Loved just seeing two “honest” characters going at it. No cheap crap,no gimmicks, no BS, and no round stealing V-trigger bullshit. Just straight up back and forth fundamentals. Awesome.
I don’t think Sagat loses to Ryu, I never heard that before. Bad I would say is Bison, Balrog, Juri, Menat, Blanka probably, Rashid, maybe ibuki.
But then Bonchan thinks he loses to everyone, but I don’t know if he’s playing the BS buff card. I mean why wouldn’t he, Sagat will probably get buffed next patch.
SFIV Akuma was hard to master compared to V. 95% of the Akuma’s you’d come across online were easy to deal with because they’d run away and spam air fireball, teleport on wakeup and go for desperate raging demons. I can remember only fighting two players who had mastered his vortex and option selects - and it was brutal trying to fight him at that level.
In SFV even scrubby Akuma’s can be hard to deal with.
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Add G to that list when he is in Captain Planet mode.
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Weekly was awful, ranked was even worse, but at least I ended up back in gold after meaty v-trigger shot killed Cody on his wake up super.
Today was not a good day for SFV overall.
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I know the feel. The best part is that we all have these days…and we all end up forgetting about these crappy sessions once we have better ones.
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Yeah, tomorrow will be better.
I already started ranked in a bad mood because the weekly bracket put me to fight a friend right away, the guys decided to stream that fight and my optical lever decided to be overtly sensitive.
Hooray to take two overheads on wake up from Urien on stream because holding back registered as down back.
And then getting an ultra diamond Rashid on losers right away, with that being the second or third Rashid I fought with Falke.
Tomorrow I will have two shots of rum to steady the hand before dipping into SFV. Today one was not enough.
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Having to fight an ultra diamond rashid straight out of losers… that’s rough.
It will get better though. Try and look for improvements over long stretches of time rather than from sessi9n to session. It’s what I do when lifting and even playing games. Fighting games nowadays are so entrenched in minutiae that you can be making progress and have none of it actually transfer togame winning results in the short term, in fact you may even see worse results as you get “better”.
Havin htis outlookis easier said than done but it’s a healthy alternative to stepping on the scales 5 times a day.
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I didn’t realize Naeras said Ryu until you brought up. That would be even match at worst for Sagat. Otherwise I’d say slightly in Sagat’s favor because it’s one of the few matchups where Sagat seems to outnormal someone and doesn’t have to worry about super damaging CC’s. s.LK and and s.MK is probably enough to keep Ryu’s honest buttons in check while throwing shots at everything else. Ryu’s v gauge build on parry got nerfed so the parries still help. but dont get him towards the v juice like they used to.
Like you said, it basically doesn’t matter if Bonchan is right about the matchups or not. Sheep will follow what he says on the matchups and since Sagat is seen as an honest SF character like Ryu, people will only be accepting of more buffs and better matchups for the king. Might as well make a woe story for every matchup.
are you an akuma player lol.
think i banned you for rq lol
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One of my more outrageous thoughts ( or not) is that I thought ( and am still toying with) he might beat all of the shoto’s including Akuma, since Akuma’s air attacks including air fireball are getting trade Tiger uppercut in Sagats favour.
That might be extreme, but at a minimum I think he probably goes even with all of them. If I had to pick one hardish one it would probably be Ken.
I mentioned Ryu as “possible” since he’s amongst the characters that can negate fireballs for free (parry) AND match Sagats fireballs. He’s definitely the hardest shoto for me thus far, but I’m also extremely unfamiliar with how to play against SFV Ryu so that’s likely a factor. The two others have been pretty easy for me to keep out, but Ryu has given me a lot of issues.
Shame, shame, shame.
EX DP beats everything Akuma does in the air, except the correctly timed EX fireball.
However, regular dp does not trade all the time. You can time your air fireball to beat it, but if Sagat just blocks, it can sometimes be punished.
I don’t think that Akuma loses this matchup. It’s probably even.
The King vs the guy that plays Birdie too much online
The King vs The President of Presidents
That’s similar to how I feel about Falke vs the shotos. She beats Ryu, goes even vs Akuma and Ken would be slightly in his favor just because Ken just focuses on running/walking in with good walk speed and bypassing the range that she wants to play from. With every combo carrying to the corner because Ken.
I’m sure Sagat can go up in the air with j.MP vs Akuma also and if you have angry charge up he doesn’t wanna take that damage/stun.
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Yeah, the beta was great.
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The stream monsters don’t like that Hyper Fighting game play all day. They don’t pay money to watch that.
I didn’t even know it was going on. Plus stuff like Topanga tends to be on that openrec site which has cumbersome archives if you don’t catch it live
YouTube link to honesty
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I think Ken is one MU where Sagat manages well (maybe really well actually) when he plays his game midscreen, but outright gets hurt when Ken gets in. It’s almost like if round start is in Sagat’s favor, but eventually Sagat will corner himself and Ken can shift it back into his own favor. From playing them both in their perspective, I feel that it’s even, but I can understand that it could also arguably be 5.5 in Ken’s favor at best.
Kolin was another issue I figure Sagat might have, mainly because she’s one of the characters that can get in relatively with ease in VT2 no matter if cancelled or in neutral with VT2 (Sagat’s defense without DP is relatively weak when considering walk-speed/throw distance/4-frame normals) and she has answers for fireballs without the need of motions in VT2 that can convert into good damage. Generally it feels like Sagat vs Kolin at the start is probably even or slightly in her favor since she can relatively apply layers of approach to him well with his slow movement… but VT2 activated Kolin is trouble.
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How do you defend against Kolin’s VT2?
I often play against several GM Kolins and usually do really well in neutral, then they activate VT2 and I loose.
Burning VR does not help at all.
For me being an old Ryu main , the main problem is the same, Sagat is sitting pushing buttons in a place Ryu can’t reach. Sagats st.hk is such a beastly button you’re Gona CC a fireball if he decides to poke with that. The spacing Ryu can parry fireballs is too far away which means Sagat is winning the mid range.
For Kolin I think Sagat wins outside of V2. Basically you just have to hold it, Ive tried different things like neutral jumping etc. Sometimes I do weird things like go on the attack, because that’s the last thing they expect. Basically the old SF5 never tech applies here, but I’d stretch that out to never push a mid ranged button either. She’s just Gona spam that fierce til the cows come home. She’s kinda ibuki mark 2 in that sense except she’s not as good outside of V.
One trick pony for me. Or at least the ones I’ve played.
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With her VT2, you practically cannot rely on the fireball game unless you are really close (especially if she has super meter), but by that point you are in a range where a few mix-ups and counters from Kolin can occur, and you have to already watch out for VT2 dash > Low Forward for +1 on block free momentum card in the process which, combined with Sagat’s slow walkspeed, she can get up to you rather quickly even midscreen. She could AA (air-to-air grab, Crouch Fierce if Sagat does not use Jump Roundhouse to trade) if you attempt to neutral jump her VT2 dash > Low Forward.
You can probably try to do typical whiffed attacks to hope that she guesses wrong on the anti-projectile punishes… especially online if she encounters rollback of sort. If Sagat experiences rollback, it’s troubling for the fact that the momentum game of throw/bait throw punish/frame traps become harder to adapt. If Kolin experiences rollback, she probably might have trouble reading if your attacks will flicker to be telegraphed as a projectile I guess?
If on-point and also not having online troubles, you could also EX DP on anticipation (really hard to react otherwise) on her VT2 approach shenanigans.
Hopefully there is more info on this… but it definitely feels like a MU I would rather stick with Ken as a base over Sagat any day. It’s hard when she gets VT2 ready. Same thing like @Highlandfireball said, it’s like dealing with another Ibuki that gets free momentum, maybe more problematic with Kolin imo because she can cancel VT2 and still keep a few uses on deck in neutral to threaten his gameplan.
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