I expect Cammy to be thoroughly butchered in Season 4 to the point she’ll be basically Ryu with less damage and without a fireball. Falke might just save the game for me, especially if Capcom buys into the idea that she’s bottom tier even if she’s not and buff her accordingly.
Cammy needs something if other characters are going to be so underwhelming.
You can either take some of the oki away or lower her damage. Maybe the right thing is to leave her alone and buff defenses/neutral gameplay all around her to bring them to a similar level. Buffing results in the most improvement of tools but it is contingent on Cammy not having something that just cannot be played around at this level. This doesn’t seem to be the case though. So just generally improving the rest of the cast would probably lead to greater enjoyment of the game.
Don’t buff FANG or Alex. Both of those characters can stay cucks.
Ya’ll haven’t played Seasons 1, 2 or 3 of SFV if you’re worried about Cammy. Worst that happened to her is that someone did what she did a little bit better at the expense of weaker AA (Karin)
Also, a preview of S4 Menat.
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Yeah, I don’t understand why everyone keeps thinking Cammy or ANY of the top tiers are gonna be nerfed to oblivion. The only season that happened was from S1 to 2. Ever since then none of the top tier characters from a particular season have fallen extremely hard at all, despite the doom a lot of people say when a change log comes out. Birdie, Abigial, Rashid et etc are all still fine more or less. No high tier character has fallen dramatically in tiers except maybe Gief.
You need to be more worried about mid and low tiers who Capcom seems hellbent on nerfing/ not helping at all…
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Yeah they learned they made a mistake in Season 1 and try not to kill the high tiers anymore. Last high tier they got close to killing is probably Laura, but Shakz and Idom show she’s still retarded even when she’s a cool mid. Could count Gief also, but Gief is a character with polarizing matchups so he’s always low tier even if he’s high tier. Gief traditionally dies to the select screen.
There are certain characters that have more or less gotten irrevocably replaced to some extent in a lot of ways though.
there’s no point to gief when Abigial does everything better.
Karin has gotten nerfed of the things that made her different to the point that Cammy just replaced her.
Menat did a 90s drive by to Dhalsim.
Akuma is better at being both Ken and Ryu.
All that silliness aside, there are still a lot of strong characters. But this game wasn’t necessarily lacking in character varierty even from the jump. If you look up old generals you’re gonna see that nailing the 5th best characters in season 1 or season 2 was a bit of a tricky mess. You didn’t really have a top 5, you had a top 10-12 characters that were realistically competitive and very strong in their own right.
People complain about cammy a lot now but she wasn’t top 5 in season 1 or 2. 2.5 needed to happen for her to rise up and even then Karin still had some very strong advantages to where it matter who you played. But 2.5 had Guile, Rashid and Ibuki doing wild stuff and one or two other characters that were a bit nuttier than Cammy. So its really taken 3 years for her to be tops and some people won’t say she is top 3. Its a weird situation with the balancing that’s producing this situation.
Kinda wish I could play season 1 again. The damage and stun were wild as hell.
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Cammy was easily top 5 in S1
It was generally agreed that Chun, Mika, Ken, Ryu and Cammy were the top 5
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That picture is disgusting …
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Plus on block EX Dive kick was an easy contender for most brain dead neutral by passing tool in season 1.
I actually got salty PSN messages because I would DP out of any situation for free.
Cammy was a menace back then.
Pretty much. Well a lot of people also felt Nash was top 5 early on, but could argue he fell off by Capcom Cup.
The fact that she had a meterless DP allowed her to bully offense in crazy ways that she luckily cant now and meant she always had meter dump into super like halfway into every round. Season 2 she fell under top 5, but still clearly one of the best characters of the game. Season 3 normalized some of the characters that took the spotlight away from her otherwise strong tools (by winning matches with scummy shit she couldn’t quite produce) and now she’s on top again.
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So let’s pretend that Necalli, Nash, Karin, Guile (was probably ending up here even if I disagreed with it).
Urien was brand new, Ibuki/Rog didn’t have the frame data and other characters were one or two buffs away.
Hell there were people who didn’t put Mika in top 5 and she was the most dangerous character due to Irish Whip nonsense.
so fuck all that revisionism. Cammy is hella good but holy shit do we forget just how nutty a lot of people were season 1 to where you could argue she sure as hell wasn’t top 5 and make a legitimate argument.
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Falke, Juri, Ibuki, Abigail and Menat would have DIED in Season 1
Cammy was good but people were too busy sticking remote controls up their ass after fighting R. Mika, Laura, M. Bison and Ken.
Season 1 SRK Tier list would have been
- R. Mika
- Chun-li
- Ryu
- Laura
- Necalli
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Not sure about Abigail.
Bison wasn’t as good as he is now; Laura could random out people but didn’t have some of the wackiness she had in season 2 or some stuff in 3. Those .5s have been really bad for her actually.
I don’t know, its silly. Twin mentioned EX divekick being hella plus but Karin’s st.lk was +3. People forget the silliness ultra fast.
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n-now you leave karin out of this
Abigail prob would have did some damage in season but i was quick thinking in regards to grapplers and how season 1 handled DPs
Karin st.lk was sick, but no Karin player cried a river after the nerf. What they did to her in S3 coupled with the general meta changes (throw loops, VTC counted as 1-hit) instead was brutal.
I think people get used to this next season nerf hammer now, the mindset is ‘hey, they nerfed my good character last year? Now I pretend [insert character] that one to be nerfed too’.
Cammy was under the radar in S1 but by CapCup niggas knew Cammy was an issue or at least was going to be one. The spotlight had been on Nash and Chun/Ryu so Cammy just slipped by.
The biggest issue with Cammy is that shes such a basic fucking bitch ass character that it’s easy to be like “well uuuh she didin’ win nuffin’ so like she ain’t dat bad brehs” Yes plenty of characters had super BS in S1 but you can’t compare Irish Whip in S1 to having DP into super at any fucking time. That shit made Ryu easy top 5 and even back then people said Cammy shit on Ryu.
Cammy is a cunt. I love her but she was dumb back then and is still dumb and now
She’s undeniably top 5. And I’d argue she was top 5 in S1 and at least 5th/6th place in S2.
Plus 3 st.LK or EX DK being + at any range?
Which would you guys rather deal with?
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Cammy wasn’t under the radar. What kind of buffoonery are we talking about here?
Her big drawback was lack of a real throw loop and not having the same amount of mix ups other top tier characters.
What kind of silly nonsense to say is this? Are we gonna forget how Karin literally murdered you with st.lk shimmies? throw you, throw you again, st.lk throw you, st.lk shimmied.
Glad she got bopped. 
IMO… I feel Cammy was worse. Karin was a monster back then but Karin’s only “neutral bypassing” tool was her EX command dash.
Like I mained Cammy in S1. She was fucking dumb. I got by on the most fraudulent shit. Also you still saw way more Cammy’s in S1 doing tournament stuff then Karin. Karin’s reign started when Punk entered the fray.
Main are we really doing the “Cammy has no loop meme” really nigga?
Plus 3 st.lk and give it back to Karin too.
I hope Cammy doesn’t get nerfed too badly. Capcom needs to grow some balls, take some risks and buff the bottom tier. How funny would it be if Alex or Vega were broken.
No nerfs for any character…except Laura.
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