I wanna find whoever named her that and slap the shit outa them.
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Again though different circumstances, we didn’t have the internet. When we were young we lit fires , smashed windows , chapped on people’s doors and bolted, threw T-bags at people’s satallite dishes.
It was probably worse lol. Most you’ve got to put up with now is sone dweeb on the internet that’s got no mates calling somebody a bad word.
Nobody killed any folk mind you - true.
Puberty. Puberty never changes.
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Official Hitboxes and Hitboxes with neutral SOCD cleaners (like the Obsidian ones I and @GetTheTables have) are formally legal.
Daigo’s Gafrobox is not.
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But hey, if I don’t get called racial, gendered, or gay slurs while I play, how am I supposed to know those are bad things you shouldn’t say to people because it’s explicitly dehumanizing? 
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Thing is growing up my town didnt let you go being a cunt unchecked…
You’d get a kicking tbh.
Online and forums circumvent that natural defence to being too big of a dickhead.
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I am a twitch partner now, seems lame to shill your own stream if you already “made it”. If you just starting and like you only get 2-10 people watching like sure I ain’t begrudge that but I duno self promotion isn’t something I am too big on.
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The very last bit is why its 100% better that they experience it now online is manageable doses than getting broadsided into a mental breakdown by some ignorant bigot on the street.
It’s like the gaming equivalent of helicopter parenting, where the intentions are clearly wholesome but come with long term consequences. When you have some big brother entity who just addresses all your problems for you it (subconsciously) dimishes your ability to deal with it yourself by ignoring it or by doing whatever else. Think of it like any basic skill. Your mom doing your laundry or cooking your meals your whole life is cool but what are you gonna do when you are out on your own?
On the opposite offending end, it’ll clap up the ignorant and toxic, which is good. However i don’t think the “lesson” is taught in the best way. It’s just as easy to blame that nigga (hard E R) for getting you banned as it is to sit back and reflect on you being an ass. Eventually you may get to a point where all negativity online is eliminated, but your trolls won’t be chilling out for the right reasons. If we want to relate it to prison, is it more important to punish or rehabilitate criminals?
But the most important negative here is that it diminishes the responsibility of and bystanders or third party to act justly. Personally, i think the best way to deal with these people is for the innocent, otherwise uninvolved majority to shame or otherwise ostracize toxic behavior. Ideally that also comes with an education on why what they are doing is wrong. But more importantly it provides the opportunity to teach so called “good people” to act in the face of evil instead of waiting for an outside force to take care of it.
But since toxic behavior will just end up modded (100% no offense to Pertho, Jin, Dev, etc.) your online environment just breeds intolerant, apathetic people who cannot deal with provocation properly while your trolls probably just get a slap on the wrist anyway.
Real talk at first i was just meming about the youth being soft, but i think its a real issue. I’ll stop here because this is already long and im really late responding.
Also lmao at the word filter blocking the hard E R version of nigga.
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has there been any relevant news for SFV? i check up on this thread once a week and people usually chat about random shit
Free trial on Samsho’s release.
…Yes, seriously.
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True. Same as online though, you let cunts like Cipher run rampant they will eventually tear the whole place down.
Exhibit A.
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“But since toxic behavior will just end up modded (100% no offense to Pertho, Jin, Dev, etc.) your online environment just breeds intolerant, apathetic people who cannot deal with provocation properly…”
Real quick on this, but this bit is basically what Pertho was talking about the other day. Everyone “agrees” Frost crossed a line but he didn’t really face much, if any, backlash for his behavior until he got iced.
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I don’t think i learned any lessons from the early xbl days. I played halo 2 every day for like 2 years. I played cod a lot too. I spoke and took a lot of hard Rs as soon as my voice came up. The only thing i really got from it is a lot of kids are assholes and it made me grateful for the option to not hear the comms.
No doubt, but you also aren’t (weren’t?) crying to your moms or tying up a noose because xXThotSlaya420Xx called you a coon. You have a healthy amount of thick skin, so you blocking them is just a convience. My thesis is for all these kids without that yet.
Also i hate to play the race card, but black people can’t afford to have thin skin or be soft. You never hear about niggas commiting sudoku over some internet shit. Can’t just turn off or ban society wide casual racism, for example. Your parents probably addressed that shit the day you were old enough to talk halfway intelligently.
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I’m sure most people agree what Frost said was not okay. But the amount of not okay shit that’s been said in the past and not met with repercussions makes this time out feel sketchy. I’m all for accountability, but every time I’ve tried/seen others try to insist for it, it’s been unsuccessful. There’s been a lot of non-joking, personal attacks based on race, gender, sexuality, and religion that went unchecked. And it was just up to anyone who found those attacks out of line to deal with it. Ik Dev and Perth gave clear examples of how Frost crossed the line, but just b/c they’re clear doesn’t make them feel any less arbitrary.
The big difference is this is a social forum designed for meeting people, debating points and generally hanging out in. It’s not a one in one.
Nobody sits in a coffee shop while the guy in the corner dips his dick in the ice coffee on table 5 and says “you’ll learn to deal with it” . They get the manager to kick him out or tell him to stop.
I’m a member of another forum where you basically say WTF you want, but if you start acting like a plonker it’s a warning then removal. Nobody to my mind’s been removed and the dicks just leave.
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That is exactly what Perth was saying the other day tho. We letting shit slide that we shouldn’t. It feels arbitrary because people like myself, Frost, and others cross the line all the time and nothing happens. The only difference this time is that a mod stepped in, but that shouldn’t always be necessary.
Also @Highlandfireball i was actually referring more to the inevitable conclusion of the xbox shit. I only brought up Pert and SRK because it was tangentially related to one of my paragraphs.
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I agree. If this is the start of actual accountability, then I have no issue with it. I guess only time will tell, but atm it feels like an isolated incident.
Part of physically playing and making up games (believe it or not but that part is very important to development. We kind of do need you to deal with assholelish kids so you learn how to navigate that. You also learn how to get along based on all that playing. Even early on my wife and I see a big difference between our daughter, who gets to play a lot, and other kids who don’t have as much attention.
You even see it when kids go from 5th grade elementary school to 6th grade. They’ll want to interrupt class over minor stuff like “somebody is looking at them” or some other silly shit. So yeah, not having some type of mental shields against a lot of stuff is something a lot of kids find themselves lacking and something you very much need to just deal with living with this planet.
That said, I don’t necessarily think XBL is the place for it. It could be the perfect place instead, I don’t know, but there are some very jarring differences between the people born in the late 70s to 80s, to the 90s kids and the 00s in how they view the internet and online interactions.
That’s not really how its panning out with the younger kids. Our gen has a very big distinction between online and offline. Probably 18 and younger, the 00s kids who literally never experienced a world without the internet, for those kids online and real life are basically the same thing. So it is a legitimate issue that people go online to harass other students. Sure you could do the Tyler the Creator thing. But ignoring online won’t really save you because the vast majority of kids have smartphones hooked up with data plans. Whatever people say online is going to make its way to real life.
This also hasn’t really panned out in a lot of message boards. You can’t say that things can’t be toxic and then have campaigned so hard to get Cipher banned. Online spaces can shitty just like anywhere else where people are communicating. If they couldn’t, SRK wouldn’t have a bad reputation still.
We don’t/can’t moderate all behavior that’s toxic. You have to let people breathe and sort shit out. Eventually people will figure out which behaviors are fine and not as the culture develops. If there’s a behavior bad enough that can lead to actual issues but the community members don’t address it, you probably want to step in and move the cultural space in a different direction. But some of that stuff isn’t very obvious.
Because I mod GD, lets take one big example on this. GD has made puns on celebrity deaths and all sorts of stuff for years. For a while there was a death pool thread where people tried to guess which celebrities were dying that year. Depending on the artists, the comments were largely respectful, specially those from fan, who got some space to share condolences and just expresses themselves on it. Others not so much. Either way this behavior is very much set.
What ends up happening that I have to deal with as a mod: Chester Bennington commits suicide. The lead singer of one of the seminal bands of the late 90s-00s, whose lyrics are full of suicide references, killed himself. Feel how you may about them, they have hella fans. GD has a mental health thread. In it you’re gonna find a lot of people being honest about issues like depression etc. So the choice was to let the LP thread rock with people shitting on Chester or going in and moderate the tits out of it because of a lot of the other stuff surrounding the issue.
I moderated the balls out of it, some people caught feelings, but a lot of users whom I knew were dealing with issues got to say their peace and not have additional emotional stress on them over it. I caught a hilarious amount of shit for that decision from some users and another mod (hilariously enough). But it was better than letting all bad behavior rock all the time.
So yeah, sometimes not as simple as we’re gonna mod it and that’s that. Overbearing modding is no good for anything. Saying we’re just going to enforce rules in a draconian matter would just make the online space shitty. But sometimes you’re gonna have to make judgement calls and deal with contextual stuff that won’t be in the rules. Them’s the breaks.
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