I think the Internet has played a huge role in the progression of fighting games. Think about it…
Is anyone familiar with the specific reasons Japanese don’t take marvel seriously? Not your prespective, just what the actual players say.
They said “too gangst”.
I don think it’s interesting how gangsta the marvel scene is, please don’t shoot. I play Super Turbo, I’m an old man. I was weird the first time I actually saw hardcore marvel players and they all looked they genuinely could kick my ass!
Yeah. Instead you do semi infinites into hypercancels, then guard break/unblockable to kill the whole team in one sitting. HNK gives you rounds and its not common to see a fatal KO on the first round. Both are as broke.
i never really bought the whole tier justification. if you look at the characters who win the 3rd strike tournaments, is it really any different? sure there are people who are good with characters such as 12, but what % of japanese tournaments has 12 won first in? lets be real here.
and then you have guys like justin wong who give people a run for their money using low tier teams. true, he did not beat dark prince in their money match, but he definitely gave him a run for his money. you can argue that he is really good in general, but so are the japanese people who pick 3s low tiers.
i think japanese people dont like sentinel. all low tier teams become automatically good with sentinel on the team. spam out those drones and its all good.
Anyone who busts out the tier argument in 3s does not know what they are talking about. Sure, marvel has tons of characters, with 10 or so that dominate everyone else. What does 3s have, just 3 in the top that rape for free. Deezo the great said it best, “the TIERS are balanced”. The game itself is horribly lopsided.
Although, I do believe 3s had everything needed to be a hit in the states. Had it been released earlier it may have done better, and we would probably be talking about SF4 right now.
I think it really took the Playstation 2 ver to set it off. Plus it’s the most comparable to OG SFII – you can just pick it up, muck around, and not be intimidated, unlike Marvel.
It’s also fairly easy to understand the mechanics. Low forward xx SUPER. And it’s pretty slow-paced. A noob can follow a 3s match – Marvel/GG, not so much.
Plus I know random nerds who don’t play fighting games, and just sit on YouTube and shit, got all into 3s after the Daigo video, just like people pointed out already. That somehow really cracked out to the mainstream gamer.
Yes, actually the tier justification does work. Why?
Because, in practically any other fighting game, low tier can place high occasionally - thanks to the Japanese 1-game format. 3s is actually one of the friendliest games in this manner, because of parries.
Marvel offers less of a chance of this happening, due to the team setup.
Quite a few Japanese players just want to play their favorite regardless of how good he is, and in Marvel that is simply not an option.
Now, as to the main topic, caliagent wins. People are not nearly emphasizing the Daigo Parry enough - that’s become THE all-time definitive moment of fighting games, something that went beyond this community.
Another factor that hasn’t been mentioned: The 3s community was always far more motivated to get vids out there than anyone else. Digging up Japan’s tech, making combo/strategy videos of their own, and (probably most importantly) hitting upon the idea of ranbats with commentary.
-Josh
me, daniel, you, and emphy are like the og svgl 3s players lol…
like someone else said… 3s initially caught everyones attention after they witnessed Justin vs Tokido at evo 2k2. Similarly, the 2nd Impact of 3s was after Justin vs Daigo (which attracted a lot of complete newbies to the fighting game scene thanks to youtube).
i always wanted to play sf3 back in the day when it was frist released but only 2 arcades had it in my area. it wasn’t until after 2k2 that my local arcade got the machine and i was able to really play it. i notice a huge increase in play after the daigo video though.
Ok, great, we’ve figured out what [and why things] lead to 3S becoming STUPID popular in the US.
Someone help me figure out a way to fucking kill it.
just a matter of time before Daigo’s bastard children realize they can’t be like daddy
lmfao, repped
Is anyone else tired of watching 3S fanboys call Marvel broken, right before they cite, for example, Tokido vs. Justin as a reason 3S took off in the US? Ok, just so we’re clear, Marvel is somehow unplayable, but a 99% unblockable loop combo is A-OK, and the reason why 3S caught fire here? Right, ok, brilliant.
You don’t HAVE to denigrate something you don’t like just to defend something you like, and it looks especially silly when the stated reasons aren’t sound.
3S is the most recent 2D SF (although it often doesn’t play like SF). CvS2 feels more like SF but has more barriers to entry and a much smaller audience. It’s pretty easy to pick up and play 3S, it’s 1v1, and it’s a gorgeous game. And it STILL took 2 or 3 deaths and resurrections to be as popular as it is now. I don’t think it really goes much deeper than it being the most modern 2D 1v1 arcade game. A ton of people that play already quit it five times but keep coming back because OTHER people still play. Even if you like a different game better, your favorite game in the corner with no one playing it isn’t as fun as the crowded 3S machine (we’ll pretend for this closing sentence that arcades still exist and the analogy still works), whether you actually like 3S or not.
repped. it was daigo though :lol:
Thanks, but I did mean Tokido Urien v. Justin Chun at Evo2k2, where they both built bar to whore supers and then Tokido got Justin into the corner where he did his best impression of a meatgrinder. That specific match was mentioned more than once in this thread and many, many times before as a reason for 3S taking off in the US. Daigo vs. Justin was amazing because of the setting and the stakes, not really because of the events in the match itself (apart from catching the first parry after super freeze). Anyone who has played a lot of 3S has seen people full parry supers to win a match or done it themselves; mostly casual fans or non-fans get superimpressed by Daigo v. Justin.
my mistake.
Repped as well.
Its sad too cuz you’re right about the favorite game being in the corner not being played while everyone is playing 3S. And cuz of people playing mostly only of 3S is why I some-what continue to play it even if I still dislike the game.
I personally think that 3S got to where it is today because of people watching japanese players. They got all hyped up and wanted to mimic them
Except, it isn’t.
The same can be said for many, many fighters. But I don’t think that’s the sole reason any fighter gets big.