Yeah, that too.
This is according to the standards and goals of someone from Ken’s world. In Ryu’s world, the world of a “True Warrior” it is undeniably:
Ryu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ken
p.s. Ryu could be banging a hot blond, red-head, and an asian chick at the same time, but since it isn’t important to his story we’ll never hear about it.
Yeah, but he won’t, and never will. Story or no story.
Ken banging Eliza is in the story.
This issue was my favorite so far! three of my favorites in the same issue! And even my Favortie Sagat super “tiger RAID!” The pacing of the sagat vs Ryu foght was masterfully written and paced.
The coloring is stupendous! You should have another interview with the colorist or even include a tut. It’s best coloring seen in the comic so far.
Looking forward to the next issue!
By your logic 9/10 of the Street Fighter cast could not ever have sex.
I repeat: Ryu could be banging a hot chick and we would never know. Just like Chun-Li could be banging a kangeroo, but we’d never hear about it because it’s not important to her main goals.
Having a family and a wife to have sex with is tied with fighting in Ken’s priority list. Getting Bison is way more important to Chun-Li so her sex life/dating life isn’t mentioned. Does that prove she’s never had sex? No.
Does it prove Ryu’s never had sex? No.
I find it unsettling that anyone would actually seriously in any way besides a joking manner gauge the worth of a fighting game character by whether or not they had sex.
“Having a family and a wife to have sex with is tied with fighting in Ken’s priority list. Getting Bison is way more important to Chun-Li so her sex life/dating life isn’t mentioned. Does that prove she’s never had sex? No.
Does it prove Ryu’s never had sex? No.”
I’d have to disagree with this, I can’t speak for Chun-li, But I can definitely speak for Ryu when I say…no way. Why? Not because it wasn’t mentioned or not important to character’s bigger goals, but because it just would not be in Ryu’s nature to go around doing that sort of thing. In many cases the character’s personality is all you need to determine what they would and would not do. In going by what we know of Ryu, his values, morals, and priniciples, he would never be “banging” anyone. It would just go against who he is, and everyone and their momma who knows anything about Ryu knows that it would just be absurd to think Ryu would be doing that. Training and walking the path of the warrior goes above all else for Ryu, and if anything, doing anything in the nature of sex would most likely be a considered a distraction, and hindrance in many ways to Ryu even spiritually. You have to take into account the characters personalities when you say what they would do and wouldn’t, not just their goals. We know Ken would do this, because of his personality traits, and being a playboy most of his life. But there’s no way Ryu would be out there “banging” chicks…I mean come on, this is RYU. It wouldn’t happen.
There is nothing in Ryu’s personality that we have observed that says he couldn’t have a relationship with a woman. Ryu’s friendship with Ken has never in any way hindered his fighting goals. Neither has his friendship with Sakura. If Ryu was out training and he met a woman that understood his goals and accepted them it is completely believable that he could have a short term realationship with that woman. He doesn’t need to make a huge commitment and settle down just to have a relationship with a woman.
When I said “banging” a chick I didn’t mean it in a demeaning way. I simply meant that it is entirely possible that Ryu could have had relationships in the past. Ryu wouldn’t have a meaningless relationship with a woman, but he could have an on again off again relationship with one that had similar interests as his own. Hell having a relationship with a female fighter might help Ryu’s goals instead of hindering them.
Chun-Li has never been portrayed as being more open to a relationship than Ryu. In a lot of ways it would probably be harder for her, at least in the past. She was completely obsessed with getting revenge for her father. Ryu devotes his life to fighting. Fighting has never messed with Ryu’s other relationships. I fail to see why a romantic one would be different. It may not work out long-term, but it could happen. Ryu couldn’t have a romantic relationship with someone like Eliza, but he could possibly have one with someone who is equally devoted to a purpose. It would be different than other relationships, but it happens all the time.
Keep in mind that Ken is his rival and best friend (whom shares similar goals) and Sakura wants to be just like him, this is different because they are his friends and in some way, are on the same path as him. This isn’t the same as being romantically involved with someone. Ryu and ken are best friends but there were periods where they would rarely see each other because they are both doing their own thing. Getting involved with a woman seriously, even short-term would cause Ryu to have to invest more personal time into that which I don’t think he’d be willing to do considerong he’s constantly on the move. It would take some special kind of woman to understand that and put up with that.
As for him having past relationships, I’d say that would be very doubtful for two reasons, One: he’s spent the majority of his life since the day he was born totally devoted to studying under Gouken and training at the dojo, yes we know he’s ventured out, but only to broaden his horizons as a fighter. I mean he and Ken trained for 10-straight years before Ken even left the dojo and he was there before Ken. Relationships with women would have been the very least thing on his mind, if not non-existent. Two: In the comic, when Ken came with Ryu to pay respects to Gouken, they got on the subject of Eliza and Ryu commented that Ken had a good woman. If you remember, ken asked Ryu had he had his sights set on any women, in which Ryu responded kinda nervously with “…uh…” indicating he didn’t. That’s when Ken said “Ryu, Ryu, I guess some things never change!” That definitely tells me Ryu has never had a romantic relationship of any kind with a woman in his life. Just being “friends” possibly, but definitely not romantically. Ken would not have made that comment if he knew Ryu was involved in any past relationships, he made it because he knew Ryu had not changed at all since they were youngsters. It was just not a priority for Ryu.
“It may not work out long-term, but it could happen. Ryu couldn’t have a romantic relationship with someone like Eliza, but he could possibly have one with someone who is equally devoted to a purpose. It would be different than other relationships, but it happens all the time.”
Okay, I’ll give you this, anything is possible. It’s just that for Ryu it seems highly unlikely and a lot more likely for Chun-li (after mourning her father’s death and before he passed away). I mean, it’s more likely for Dhalism to be in a relationship (which we know he is married with a son) than for Ryu. But I guess if Vegeta can have a relationship with a woman…anything’s possible.
What’s to keep him from having a relationship with another woman on the same path as him? I never considered that Ryu would have a relationship with an accountant or a 7-11 cashier. Odds are he would have to be involved with a fighter, or someone who specifically deals with fighters.
Considering Ryu is a special person who gets into extraordinary situations and meets very special women, yes I would agree that any woman he meets is going to have to be special for him to even give them the time of the day. Someone like an Interpol agent out for revenge, a psychic trying to keep him from turning evil, female ninjas, insane schoolgirls, female MI6 operatives, etc. Just about every woman he knows is just as devoted to what they do as he is to fighting. And since every one of the women I just listed has to fight to attain their goals…there you go. The only normal woman he knows is Eliza. The rest are just as obsessed as he is.
Well Gouken had a daughter so Ryu may have had long term exposure to females from a very early age. He also had Ken there to let him know about girlfriends, etc.
Ryu probably responded that way because he was focused on avenging Gouken’s death and Ken asking about his love life was inappropriate to Ryu. Ryu is also most certainly a more private person than Ken and telling Ken about his relationships would be somewhat difficult for him. Or Ryu could just be plain embarassed. This is also from the comic, which proves NOTHING about the real Ryu. I repeat, we know nothing about how Ryu deals with the opposite sex in the official storyline. It has never been mentioned.
Dhalsim has children, of course he’s been with a woman. Chun Li has never been shown to be interested in any man, so I’m not sure why she’s more likely to be in a realtionship. Chun Li does have a maternal side to her, so i could see her being a good mother. But Chun Li doesn’t have any significant opposite sex experience that would make her any more likely than Ryu to have had a relationship.
Exactly. If Vageta can have a relationship with a woman who belongs to a race he regards as inferior and next to worthless, and is also not a fighter in any way Ryu can most certainly have a relationship with a woman. Heck Vageta is probably more maniacal about fighting than Ryu is. Vageta has no problem slaughtering millions of innocents and allowing himself to be controlled or turned evil, as long as it makes him a better/more powerful fighter.
“Considering Ryu is a special person who gets into extraordinary situations and meets very special women, yes I would agree that any woman he meets is going to have to be special for him to even give them the time of the day. Someone like an Interpol agent out for revenge, a psychic trying to keep him from turning evil, female ninjas, insane schoolgirls, female MI6 operatives, etc. Just about every woman he knows is just as devoted to what they do as he is to fighting. And since every one of the women I just listed has to fight to attain their goals…there you go. The only normal woman he knows is Eliza. The rest are just as obsessed as he is.”
This all true, but also remember this is only ONE side that your talking about regarding these women, their situations made them into strong people and strong fighters. But this one aspect of them is not SOLEY who they are, the warrior IS who Ryu is. It’s what he does, it’s what he loves, and it’s what he is, this is all Ryu knows for himself that he is comfortable with. Ryu most likely couldn’t even function if this was stripped away from, he’d feel like his soul was taken from him. Could the same be said for these women? I don’t know, they are fighters, but I’d really doubt this would be all they want to do 24/7. This is where things would get complicated.
“This is also from the comic, which proves NOTHING about the real Ryu. I repeat, we know nothing about how Ryu deals with the opposite sex in the official storyline. It has never been mentioned.”
We’ll, I see nothing that distinguishes the comic Ryu from the “real” Ryu as you put it, that IS the real Ryu. I see nothing that indicates otherwise, and if these stories are approved by Capcom as Udon has stated, then yes it does prove SOMETHING. And it’s never been mentioned in the game or in the comic except that “…uh…” comment, so I don’t see how the Ryu’s are any different. However, if it DOES get mentioned in the comic that he has never had been a relationship before (which is most likely what anyone would believe) it wouldn’t surprise me one bit and it WOULD be canon because most likey that’s how it would be if it were mentioned in the game. And although the game has developed the majority to the story we know and love, it’s story is no more canon than the comic, considering all it’s loop holes and loads of mysteries the comic is ALL there is to really officially follow. I see no reason not too. If we just stick with the games, there is A LOT that will never be mentioned. Gouken’s daughter is a perfect example of this, we cannot even for sure say that she even exists considering that was mentioned ONCE in the entire story and then mysteriously disappears never to be seen or heard from again as if she never was. Plus, not to mention that ONE extremely rare sketch of her, the game doesn’t prove too much of anything either except the officially stated obvious things we know that are concrete that have moved the story along. As far I can see Gouken having a daughter is anything but concrete. Udon’s story is as faithful as it can possibly be, so that’s what I’ll follow it’s obvious they’ve done their researched and asked Capcom many questions. There is no way in a blue hell anything about Ryu’s relationships would be mentioned in a game, the games have little to limited character development and none for some, this isn’t a book. There is no way that type of thing would ever be mentioned in a game for someone like Ryu, so using that doesn’t prove much too me. However, the game DID establish Ryu’s personality enough at the very LEAST to make a very accurate guess that he has not been in any relationships. But you’re right, it hasn’t been stated “officially” in either source, so it’s not set in stone, but I’d say about 99.5% of anyone and everyone would look at Ryu and say…nah, no way.
“Dhalsim has children, of course he’s been with a woman. Chun Li has never been shown to be interested in any man, so I’m not sure why she’s more likely to be in a realtionship. Chun Li does have a maternal side to her, so i could see her being a good mother. But Chun Li doesn’t have any significant opposite sex experience that would make her any more likely than Ryu to have had a relationship.”
Again her personality tells me she would, Chun-li is a confident woman who is sure of herself in pretty much everyway, she is strong both physically and mentally and takes no BS. This is the type of woman most men would be intimidated by, I see no reason why she would have trouble getting any man she wanted. She also has a more feminine ( as also shown in the games ) side to her than she usually shows and likes to go out and have fun. Infact, sometimes she even portrays a more “child-like” side of herself when she’s in a comfortable frame of mind, again showing more of the carefree person she really is outside of work and not greiving over her father. I also agree with you about her maternal side. This has been shown in any medium, the game, the comic, hell even the animated movie, so theres got to be truth here somewhere. Chun-li has shown to have many realms to her personality. Ryu is SO very different from Chun-li, except in dedication towards a goal. He focuses on the fight and nothing but the fight, the only times he really doesn’t is when Ken is there to distract him with other stuff. Ken has been his only real door to other possiblities honestly, just because of his influence and overbearing personality. Infact, even THAT point has been shown in the comic , like when Ryu made that joke that caused Sakura to bust a gut laughing (one of my favorite scenes) shows Ken’s influence on him, perhaps even Sakura’s influence. In a way, that actually helps your point too, which is cool. Another reason why that comic is so great, we have slowly been able to see more doors of Ryu’s personality open that he would not normally show, (like his big appetite) and it’s very believable. However, that’s still not enough to warrant Ryu having had intimate relationships with women, that’s a whole new ball game . Though a LOT about Chun-Li’s personality says she wouldn’t mind make a few guys lucky day and go out on dates. Can we say the same for Ryu? I think not. Again, is it possible? Yes. Is it highly unlikely? Double Yes. But a lot more evidence points to Chun-li being more open to this than Ryu.
This is the only side of them that Ryu would ever see, so it doesn’t really matter that they have other sides to their personality. Ryu would not be able to stick around long enough to have to confront these other aspects.
Capcom also approved Street Fighter 2V, Street Fighter Alpha, Generations, and the USA cartoon. The fact that they approve the comic doesn’t really mean a whole lot. If the comic was the same as the official story then Sagat should have been able to rip off Dhalsim’s arm and lynch him with it. The comic is different. Close, but different. Another example is Bison, who is supposedly more powerful now then he was in the Alpha story. This is also a complete contradiction to the official story in which Bison returns weaker in SF2.
The game offers no hints as to Ryu’s relationships whatsoever. You can’t make any determination about his relationships from the games at all. I repeat, going by what the games offer 9/10 of the Street Fighter cast have the same regard for the opposite sex that Ryu does, which means it is not adressed and you CAN’T accurately make any estimation about it. All we know from the game is that Ryu loves to fight and meet new challangers. We also know from the games that Ryu tends to become friends with a lot of the fighters he meets. Ken, Sakura, Guy, Chun-Li, Alex, etc. As far as I am aware Ryu’s ability to interact with the rest of society (as long as it is in the fighting world) is perfectly normal. He makes friends, likes to meet new people and learn new things, maintains long-term relationships, he’s very popular/well known, and even those who hate him (Sagat) admit to having a great amount of respect for him. And even outside of the fighting community he probably does alright for himself. Dudley calls him the last of the Samurai, indicating that Ryu is intelligent, polite, and hardly the “moronic wandering bum” that everyone seems to think he is. None of these traits make me believe that Ryu is incapable of having a relationship with a woman. Again, not a normal relationship, but every relationship is different.
Ryu has all these traits as well.
Ryu has shown that he too has a playful side to his personality.
Men being intimidated by Chun-Li is an example of why she would have a hard time with a relationship. This just puts her on equal footing with Ryu’s problems. Maybe they should go out.
“This is the only side of them that Ryu would ever see, so it doesn’t really matter that they have other sides to their personality. Ryu would not be able to stick around long enough to have to confront these other aspects.”
But if he actually cared about these women he would HAVE to confront these other sides when they bring it up. You make it seem like he’d be like “uh yeah, I don’t have time for that I gotta go away for a couple of months and train, see ya.” He wouldn’t be so uncaring towards a woman that means something to him.
"Capcom also approved Street Fighter 2V, Street Fighter Alpha, Generations, and the USA cartoon. The fact that they approve the comic doesn’t really mean a whole lot. "
With those movies, it was more like giving the go ahead to do it than actually approving it. Considering how terrible the above movies were you just mentioned, (with the exception of Street Fighter II: The animated movie) it’s very doubtful Capcom had anything to do with the actual plot or even proof reading it. With Udon, they are sending capcom the actually scripts to look over and approve, not just a call on the phone to ask if they can make another issue. There is a big difference, it’s obvious that Udon is looking for this to be the new definitive source for Street Fighter. Besides the comic , there will never be any other official source anyway…ever, unless another game is made.
“If the comic was the same as the official story then Sagat should have been able to rip off Dhalsim’s arm and lynch him with it. The comic is different. Close, but different. Another example is Bison, who is supposedly more powerful now then he was in the Alpha story. This is also a complete contradiction to the official story in which Bison returns weaker in SF2.”
When was it ever stated that Sagat would be able to own Dhalsim like that? 'Cause I sure don’t remember anything of the sort, nothings ever said that Sagat would was leagues over someone like Dhalsim. Considering the spiritual and mental level that Dhalsim is on, it’s very believable to think that Sagat would have a lot to learn. His strength doesn’t mean everything, ( a relatively inexperienced Ryu taught him that ) Dhalsim didn’t even USE strength to beat Sagat at all. It was all in the mind.
As for Bison, you somewhat have a point but then again, I’m not so sure. The comic is somewhat of a mesh between Alpha and SF2. The fact that the SF2 tournament hasn’t even happened in the comic means that the Psycho drive most likely will get destroyed by the time that tournament rolls around, making Bison significantly weaker. Technically, right now were still in the Alpha realm with some SF2 elements, so there’s still a whole lot to do before the big tournament actually rolls around. So in actuality, they’ve really done nothing wrong.
“The game offers no hints as to Ryu’s relationships whatsoever. You can’t make any determination about his relationships from the games at all. I repeat, going by what the games offer 9/10 of the Street Fighter cast have the same regard for the opposite sex that Ryu does, which means it is not adressed and you CAN’T accurately make any estimation about it.”
I have mixed feelings about that, I agree and disagree with this. I mean for some, it’s obvious, like Ken, (stated) Dhalsim (stated), Guile (stated) and for some, you really can make take a good guess. I mean come on, Balrog definitely is a obvious guess, everything about him points to that. Probably Vega, but in a sick and twisted way. So I would say it’s more like 4/10, something like that, that’s actually not a bad ratio for this type of game. When you think about it, there have been quite a few relationships established in the games. Characters like Sagat, Gen, Sakura may be difficult to pin-point so I’ll give you that. I really doubt Bison give a damn about anything like that, I mean power is his woman. Same for Akuma, no way in hell he’s involved in any relationships MAYBE, before he became corrupted by the satsu no hadou. But anytime after this, the thought of it is laughable. So actually is not all that hard to pin-point where some these characters stand on this. As for Ryu, the thing is we know he totally follows the way of the warrior, and know he can be a man of few words. Since when did the way of the warrior involve romantic ventures? He wouldn’t bother because he wouldn’t want anything taking time away from his training, a wandering warrior has no time for that.
“And even outside of the fighting community he probably does alright for himself. Dudley calls him the last of the Samurai, indicating that Ryu is intelligent, polite, and hardly the “moronic wandering bum” that everyone seems to think he is.”
Why dudley calls him that is obvious, Ryu truly is one the last of honorable and noble men on the planet, but that stems from his upbringings and what was instilled within him. I never thought of Ryu as being a “moronic wandering bum” someone as enlighted and in-tune with himself as Ryu could hardly be considered moronic. A moron couldn’t do that.
You all do realise that they aren’t real people, right?
I mean, yes, you can be fans with imaginations as to what Capcom could have done with their characters as Street Fighter seems to be over in Capcom’s eyes but to argue over some of the things here seems kind of odd.