Self entitled monsters+what really happened at UC Davis

^Not surprised. We’re broke as hell, and we can’t afford to put the people who tanked us behind bars. They dun got away with it :bluu:

And yet we still have the highest incarceration rate in the world. We have less than 5% of the world’s population, and yet 25% of the world’s prison population is in the US.

I swear this is some sci-fi shit. Meanwhile everybody is either unaware, or just waiting and seeing what comes next.

At least we can make believe like we can have justice

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How dare you be mad about this, you self-entitled monster?

Guilty… :frowning:

Its interesting to note that 14 trillion dollars don’t even exist. Yet the US has managed to borrow that much money. ???

America you more preplexing that this statment

∞^(0) ≠ 1

Lim n^(1/n) = 1
n -> inf

Therefore inf^0 = 1.

:smiley:

(Well your statement isn’t always true or false. Depends on the context)

well it does depend on context. Math is a funny thing.

My professor said that

∞^(0) is undeterminant. But when you work out the limit using L’Hospital’s you see that its 1. And that is when you can state that ∞^(0) = 1, because its not an undeterminant any more.

Undetermined means that it is situation dependent not that it is impossible to determine.

If I give you a limit in the form ∞/∞ it doesn’t tell me anything compared to if I gave you a limit such as 2/1. It just means you have to do a little more work to show ∞/∞ goes somewhere.

I guess i misqouted him. LOL.

Why aren’t you in my Wakfu helping me hype this awesome show meign, don’t tell me you are too busy with PONIES!?!?

Heh the thing is to remember that infinity isn’t an actual number, but a concept. Different things go to infinity at different rates and that is what creates all the unusual properties.

I was reading up on that. thats why you can’t say ∞/∞ = 1.

Credit line.

re: Regulations. Specifically the barber shop example. I’ve seen nasty staff infections result from shared razors, or even razors used by the same person over an extended period of time and getting infected with bacteria in bathrooms. Worst case scenario with them is people getting flesh eating viruses and straight up dying. There is a reason this regulation is in place. Sure, some of them are wacky and paranoid, but overtime laws are a regulation won in blood by labor unions, as are health/safety/environmental precautions. Now, since corporations specifically have an obligation to meet their bottom line for their shareholders, you’d best believe that if given the option, a corporation would dump pollutants into the environment (causing a myriad of health and/or day-to-day mobility problems that individual taxpayers or the state itself will have to pay to fix) or force its workers to risk bodily harm with shit equipment in inadequate facilities. These are very generalized examples, but If a CEO or a shareholder were to look at laws like these as obstacles to a bigger bank account, then I don’t sympathize with them.

re: Government vs Corporations. I think most people at this point realize that the line between public policy makers and corporate interests are blurred what with power structures having mutual interests. They are merely different branches of power at this point. The difference between government and corporate interests though is that as a citizen I can launch a recall effort to remove an ineffective elected official; I cannot do the same with a CEO unless I’m a shareholder, and that’s a maybe. As a citizen I still have a small degree of influence in politics and politicians are still have a responsibility to their jurisdictions. Corporations do not. If I’m highly critical about Wal-Mart, then the only thing I can do to stop them is not shop at Wal-Mart (or, alternatively, start my own big box retailer to compete against them, but this is a far more difficult process than, say, recalling a senator I don’t like).

Um, yeah.

Most American movies are about the desirability of heteronormative sexual relationships and the virtue of solving problems by punching/shooting/blowing stuff up.

The difference is that the government is an entity that is allowed to break the rules (and create new ones). The same rules we all as people agree need to be in place to coexist on this planet. Rules like no killing and no stealing.

The barbershop razor regulation case is an example of the law of unintended consequences. Regulators always have the best of intentions when they step in and makes rules like that, but look at the result. It either outright killed the service, or the cost of replacing the razors was passed on to the customer. Again, best of intentions, but how many people were actually saved from the rampant razor menace such that the eventual outcomes of outright killing the service or raising the prices was warranted? It’s like: How did the very fragile and vulnerable males of the human race manage to survive the preceding hundred years of straight razor shaves, which were fraught with unspeakable peril, before the razor regulators stepped in?

Some health/safety regulations are applied in really asinine ways, like the health inspectors harassing a seven year old girl for not having a food permit for her little lemonade stand. And even with financial regulations and agencies that are supposed to act in the public interest, like the SEC, they can’t even enforce the regulations that are already on the books. It’s pathetic, and our priorities are totally out of whack. Notice how the Feds have plenty of money and resources to take Rod Blagojevich to court more than once (for a victimless crime), but don’t have enough money to take Citigroup to trial when it cost their investors millions.

“How the fuck is it that Martha Stewart went to jail?”

It goes way beyond that, way way beyond it. First of all having a vote in an elected representative is not a choice, it’s an illusion of choice. Can you honestly tell me that you had hand in deciding any of the important issues? The Bail Out? Invading Iraq? Stimulus plan? Obviously not. You might say that collectively you chose someone to make that decision for you which again you would also be wrong. Politicians cater to groups of people that pay them the most. So while you voted and paid nothing do so corporation are lobbying and bribing politicians with millions and billions of dollars to pass legislation they want. It doesn’t matter if vote republican or democrat, JP MORGAN ‘voted’ for both McCain and Obama with campaigner contributions and they did so with hundreds of millions of dollars. Who do you think Obama caters to? The people that voted for them or the people that voted for him with their wallets? This is pretty much how politics and democracy works in America and most people don’t even realise it.

As a citizen you can’t do jack shit. If you get someone killed you go to jail, if a corporation kills hundreds of people nobody goes to jail. If you work a job you are likely paying higher tax rates than a corporation! If you give a politician money it’s bribery and you go to jail but when a corporation does the same thing it’s completely legal. And because corporations bribe the government, the government dispenses huge favors back to them and makes it harder for you as an individual to become successful. Corporations can change laws, you get to change…you see where I’m going with this?

That’s not true at all. Social Security is one of the few institutions that runs on a surplus every year.

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/index.htmlTo summarize, social security and medicare took in 1.267 trillion.
They spent 1.235 trillion.
In other words, they earned more than they made.
Where the issue comes in is way down the line in 2030 as the baby boomers will have lived to an age when the money they put in will have been used up, and with a shrinking population you’re not getting the revenue in to make up for the loss. Not until the 2030s does it become a problem. The reason there is a push is to fix the problem now would be easier than fixing the issue when it arises. A simple nominal raise in taxes now could save us trillions down the line. The Health Care Plan had addressed many of the issues with Medicare already, and there are multiple solutions to the social security problem.

You’ve made two fundamental errors.

  1. you expect economics to make particle sense.
  2. government does not run for profit

Remember that economics is the study of an invisible force, demand. It won’t make sense at the end of the day no matter how much we understand it.
And government has always had that odd quirk to it. The goal of a government in the modern world is not to make money but to provide others with the means to make money. Debt isn’t a problem, excessive debt is. The only type of government that needs to always be in a surplus is an empire, monarchy, or any form of government that runs for the benefit of the leaders.
Modern governments have always done this, you can see it parodied in the book Alice in Wonderland.
“Here in our kingdom, you must run at full pace to stay where you are, and run at 200 percent to move forward”

That’s not true at all. Many countries still use the US dollar to back their own currency. Our debt problems are miniscule compared to what the Greeks, Iceland, and Spain face, and by association Italy. I’m not really sure what sources you’ve been listening to, but they’ve done a very good job at scaring you.

The energy crisis won’t be nearly as bad as people make it out to be. There are multiple solutions and for the past 5 years big bucks have been pored into improving the efficiency of alternative energy and fuels. The efficency of solar pannels has sky rocketed while their cost has plummeted. While the numbers still aren’t at truly substainable levels, it is still rising, research is still going, and funding is right there. The same can be said for Natural Gas, which America is a hot bed for, wind power, hydro electric, the only dead end we’ve found in America is in Ethanol, which is not a viable food source for us.

The “energy crisis” won’t just be a solvable problem, especially if addressed in time, but one that America stands to profit off of with our large and numerous natural resources.

All of which are solvable.
Nothing America faces today can’t be solved. There is no dust bowl, no bank rushes, no civil war aside from Texas being dumb in the head, no world war, no nuclear threat on the shores of Cuba (who actually kind of likes us now.) Every problem we face today is completely solvable. Nothing is nearly as bad as what our ancestors had to put up with.

Usually your posts are misguided, but I was taken aback on how spot on this one is.

And as far as citizens not being able to do jack shit. They can organize.

It’s how even the most difficult of reforms were passed, with enough pressure from the people to get those in power to act. And in this day and age, when political corruption is rampant it’s really the only choice that one has to try and change things since voting alone will not be enough.

Anenome: Nothing can’t be solved? What about the impending currency crisis? Did you see people shopping for Black Friday? People were rampaging over stupid shit they didn’t even need. Imagine what would happen when it’s food and water they are after…

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“When the chips are down these uh… ‘civilised people’ they’ll eat each other”