The next bunch of Semitsu vs Sanwa arguments get automatically infracted.
Seimitsu LS-32-01 - Is it normal for the joystick to raise up a bit when pressed up against the gate
This thread seems to have gone off on quite a tangent. I did NOT create this thread to create another Sanwa Vs. Seimitsu joystick war, I just wanted to know if my joystick had a manufacturing fault or if it was a design fault. I agree with most people who say that some people prefer Seimitsu over Sanwa and some people Sanwa over Seimitsu because it comes down to personal preference. I am not going to say “I think blah” is better because I honestly haven’t made a fair judgement since I’ve only got my Seimitsu joystick recently.
So can anyone please tell me what is the process of removing the spring on my LS-32? Because I want to make sure that the spring is secure in my joystick.
Here ya go
yes, that’s one reason why it is a shitty joystick for fighting games and should never have been recommended by anyone
iirc fubarduck gave the 90%+ estimate based on his experiences in japan. it might not have been him but that’s how i’m remembering it. in either case this was before vewlix cabs or madcatz sticks existed. but it’s true that 3rd strike, st/anniversary and maybe some other capcom games used ls-32, because the tougeki site used to actually say which stick was being used for each game. i don’t think they do that anymore.
You need a tool like this one. LS-40 spring is the same, i don’t know other compatible spring, the JLW one may be a potential alternative, i’ve never tried though.
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Thanks phaedrus and jaquio for the info. Considering the design of the C-ring, I think my joystick is fine and its secure.
Having grown up playing on Sega cabs, I can confirm that most of them defaulted to Seimitsu 1L6B or 2L12B panels with LS-32 sticks and PS-14 buttons.
I ordered a LS-32 spring to put in my LS-40, and it was very different from the spring that came stock with my 40. It’s about the same size, slightly shorter and with less tension. Just for what it’s worth.
And yeah, those damn plastic tabs in the Sanwa gate do snap easy, and I was being careful, too. Nothing a little hot glue can’t fix to keep the gate secure.
Dude don’t sweat it. There isn’t anything wrong with your stick, that’s how it is by design. This isn’t about which is better either, it was about people saying the plastic is crap in all Seimitsu sticks when that isn’t true. Nor are the rest of the sticks in their lineup bad, and those sticks do not have the popping issue, they’re very solid sticks. Nor are they cheap! Every store you check that stocks them has them at the same price as every Sanwa stick, in fact just checking Paradise Arcade you can see that currently Sanwa sticks like the JLW are being sold for $19 vs the Seimitsu sticks in stock at $23. Focus Attack has the Seimitsu sticks at $2 less than the Sanwa sticks. The only place I’ve seen Seimitsu sticks significantly cheaper are akibaharashop.jp, which is selling them for give or take, $10 less than Sanwa.
I have over 2 years experience on Seimitsu sticks and from using JLF’s too. Both sets of sticks have their pros and cons. I’m not being biased here, either, there are some things, build quality wise, that Seimitsu does better and some things that Sanwa does better. No big deal, I just don’t want mis-information spread.
hold it, I did some research before buying all the seimitsu’s and most sources say LS-32 and LS-40 spring are identical, tension and otherwise. But if what you say is true, this might be a game changer for me. I grew up (SE asia) on NeoGeo Cabs (and Astro/BlastCity’s) so I jumped in to get an LS-40 to get that feeling back,
But the LS-40 that i got wasn’t like how I expected/remembered it to be, it felt stiffer than the ls-32 for me (but most sites like kowal and slagcoin say LS-40 is supposed to be softer)… I liked the shorter throw/engage, but it did feel stiffer generally, I then just resorted to LS-58’s (and has become my favorite stick tbh)… but I will try this painfully obvious solution later.
This is, by far, the funniest mod. It completely transforms it into something reminiscent of a Happ stick. I did this with a friend’s stick when he was saying that the joystick was too lose. We put in a JLW spring and now that sucker requires a shit ton of force to move. You’d have to be flailing the stick to even get the actuator to the gate, much less let it jump.
Haha… Yeah it beefs it up. I’m a huge IL Happ fan too:)
Honestly the LS-32, with JLW spring, round restrictor, and E-clip is PERFECT to me (c-rings were made by the devil I’m pretty sure). The added weight from a heavy top really balances the resistance. Smooth… If not using an aluminum top with this set up I use a large 45mm ball top.
The reason the stick no longer “jumps” with this mod is NOT because the resistance is so great that the stick becomes overly stiff, but rather that the compression of the JLW spring (it’s height while installed) correctly holds the LS-32 shaft and the “jump” becomes impossible to do.
I have a collection of 14 sticks and stock parts of all kinds so I have tried many combinations. While this mod in question does stiffen things up considerably it is not as stiff as a Happ heavy spring, but it is wayyyyyy more rigid than a stock Sanwa JLF (which I like to use with an LS-55 spring and round gate installed).
My current favorite setup is an LS-40 with a custom cut round gate, 45mm heavy round top, and a JLW spring.
Though I am curious to try some of the new JLF custom springs that the good people from Paradise Arcade have made.
No problem. You can also yank it off and replace it with a 7/16" (11mm) E-ring. Get em at a hardware store.
Don’t forget that the LS-40s you played on in arcades were probably just a little bit worn-in… 
Yeah, I was told the same thing, I think SlagCoin had it noted they’re the same spring. But they’re not. I could take pics of both if you would be interested in seeing the difference. Definite tension diff, too.
Both of them use same spring. Tension is different (a bit softer) in 40 not because of the spring but because of the different design of everything, which makes the spring to be less squeezed.
Also, i’m not saying you did that but worth to say you can’t compare a new spring with a “broken-in” one.