I want those RG switches.
What are the chances of someone being completely abhorred by Seimitsu buttons? I used Sanwas, so I like the short engage distance and lower actuation force. I donāt get accidental inputs hovering my hand over the buttons nor touching them. That said, Seimitsuās look alluring because of the thinner outer rim of the buttons. I feel as if that would provide less resistance when sliding.
However, I do want clears and it doesnāt look as if the clears have that rim. They are cheaper than Sanwa clears though. Itās surprisingly difficult to find clear shots of buttons. If anyone can provide a profile picture of multiple button models for comparison that would be nice.
I think most people would find PS-14-Gās to be disgusting. or at least, take a longest time before they get used to it, coming from sanwas.
but generally all the other seimitsu (GN,KN,K,PS-15) buttons are pretty similar to sanwas, apart from the resistance and minor size differences, I honestly think its a moot point and all youāre considering now are color choices.
Thatās good to hear. Specifically about the KNs because thatās what Iām going to get.
You said you have a better time pushblocking in Vampire Savior with RGs, despite the .5mm longer engage and greater operating force compared to OBSF-30s. Iām not sure I understand how thatās possible. Can you a elaborate? Is it that the tactile feel gives you a better idea that youāre hitting button? What motion are you doing to tech and are you trying to hit all 6?
Iām able to 6hit tech consistently with OBSF-30s and I would think the sensitivity of the buttons are part of the reason why. I think my mashing is good because of the sensitivity as well. Iām just a little bit afraid of losing that.
Iāve been playing on KNās for a while. Theyāre good! The PS-14-G buttons are flat topped which is probably where anyone would notice the most difference.
RG buttons donāt really have a tactile āfeelā to them. You can hear a faint āclickā if you are in a silent room, but the buttonās plunger hitting the barrel creates far louder noise. There is a snappy feeling to a RG switch that you donāt get from D, G, or SW-68 switches. If you mount a RG switch into a GN/KN button then it engages much faster than on a Sanwa. It engages almost the second you push it in.
In another thread someone replying to you claimed that vibration was loosening his screw-ins and he had to readjust them constantly. Heās the only person Iāve seen say this but you can image less people have tried these buttons compared to Sanwa. Either way, can you contest that? Sanwas fit pretty snug into my metal plate, so much so I had to sand them. Even if they do come loose, in looking at the dimensions of the PS-14-KNs I can see that they should be tight screwed in or not.
I canāt contest it because it is possible. If you donāt tighten the screw enough they can come loose with vibration from playing. If tightened well, there will be no problem. Itās easy to tell if a button gets a little loose, and if it does, simply tighten it up. At worst, a screw in button could possibly get a little loose, a snap in the tab breaks and falls out and you lose a button. Worst case scenario for a screw in is much better than a snap in.
Conversely, you can also purchase that tool that screws in the nut from the top. Itās basically a long, plastic socket that fits snug over each groove of the nut to tighten it. A low grade of locktite might work as well, like the removable types that are purple or blue.
Thatās an option, too. You could cut rubber rings that would go between the screw nut and the metal panel to create something snug with high friction as a solution, too.
Youāve have to get a specified thickness of rubber rings in order to make sure itās a tight seal, but doesnāt place too much stress on the plastic components. In a pinch, teflon tape might work to some limited degree.
Teflon tape would probably be detrimental because the surface would be slick, right? What youād want is a soft, sticky surface. Gasket rubber is pretty ok at that.
yeah as Moonchilde said, its not the tactility. there is almost none. its very very very faint.
and yeah i play a lot of Vampire (PSN/GGPO). basically, i said i get more consistent because i can be a bit sloppy on doing the piano sequence. (I do LK, LP, MP, HP, HK, MK sequence) Reason is, the later engage gives less chances of button presses overlapping inputs. sometimes I was getting (LK, LP, MP+HPā¦ etc) at times , and you can tell why, because the engage is faster, on sanwas, so if you really mash it, buttons will engage too close to each other due to the faster activation. RG buttons, kinda helps in making sure I pressed two buttons in sequence (separately LK->LP) and not together (LK+LP)ā¦ hopefully that makes sense.
if youāre getting consistent tech.hits then thereās really no reason to worry, i donāt think youāll lose that when you switch to RGās. itās all you, you have already consistent inputs as is if thatās the case, no matter what buttons you pick you will adjust accordingly, iād like to believe soā¦ if anything the major difference will be the feel, because its slightly stiffer, but not as stiff as seimitsus.
the way you play may also be a factor, Iām the type who uses all 5 fingers, with most of the time my whole hand resting on the surface and buttons. I know some people never rest their hand and have them hover the buttons all the time. That said, it was a good compromise with the RGās for me because i have fingers on the plunger resting most of the time, accidental slight presses are less frequent.
I am starting to get so accustomed to semitsu I dont know if I can go back to sanwa.
Yep, that extra tension makes a world of difference. BTW, love your avatar. Iām a KDE user myself, eagerly awaiting 5 to go stable.
Since my first name starts with a K and I love KDE lol it just went well together. I have to say out of 5 years you are the only person to ever make the connection between the K and KDE.
But its like when all I could play on was my semitsu stick sanwa feels like breathing on it will activate 10 buttons you canāt rest your figure tips on sanwa buttons they will press 100%.
Yo yo guys check it. Iāve had PS-14-GN-C buttons for like, a little over a year now. Never played them stock. So today, I have played them stock.
Why have I not played them stock? Well, Iāve been using a Cherry mod with .187 QDās on them. Well, conveniently, .187 works really well on .110 terminals. Lucky me I donāt have to mess around rewiring shit, so I wired them up.
I actually really like them. Theyāre good buttons. They donāt have that āsnapā that Iām looking for though. I do like them stock though! Theyāre much better than Seimitsu D buttons or Sanwa buttons with SW-68 switches installed. Even better than Kuro as well, since those are just about the same as Sanwa or between Sanwa and Seimitsu.
Anyway, I pulled the jab button out and put a RG switch in it. Why? Because when you install one into a Seimitsu like I noted earlier it changes the feel of the button a good bit. When in a Seimitsu, the button activates a lot closer to the top of the plunger as you press it in rather than the middle. I actually like how this feels. I actually think it feels much better than my Cherry mod, sadly, which I spent a lot of money on lol. Anyway, theyāre really snappy feeling and they feel fast. No accidental button presses. Itās a good mod.
Now I need 7 more RG buttons/switches. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccck.
I want to do that mod too. Need those Damn switches!
The PS-14-GN-C buttons have the same switch size as the PS-14-KNs, right? Iād like to try that in the future but Iād also have to get a new case for the clearance first.
Activation closer to the top sounds great. If I did switch cases, I think Iād want to try 24mm buttons though. 24mm, short engage, and durable would be perfect.
Oh, do Big Kahunas fit on the RG switch?
RG switches arenāt going to fit 24mm buttons. The Kahunas should work on those switches though.
No kahuna will not work on RG switches. It would be easy to mod them though. I will send a drawing to Bryan tonight. RG switches arenāt very loud to begin with, and neither are PS-14-KN.
24 mm buttons I donāt like. Totally different feel plus they use the small switches which are my least favorite.