O Evil Ryu thread, will you ever stop delivering golden nuggets of hilarity?
I guess not any time soon.
Everyone else has a long range throw or overhead? When did Deejay and Cammy get overheads?
I thought Dee Jay’s far s.HK was an overhead? At least that’s what I heard, no one uses Dee Jay.
Nope, that is actually one of the requests people have for him. Though if they did that they’d have to do it like Abel’s close HK where the overhead is low damage and leads to nothing but is mostly there just to get you a little bit more damage. Deejay’s far HK is 11F startup which is slow for a poke but insanely fast for an overhead, especially a long reaching overhead. Even Dudley’s is 15F and that is close range. Cody’s is 18F and has the longest recovery in the game of a non-special move overhead so you can’t afford to whiff it. (21F)
Not opposed to Deejay getting an overhead though.
i dont think its akuma that needs the nerf i really think its his vortex and unblockables
Abel
‘Instead of fixing his Standing Far Roundhouse, you should give Abel an Anti-Air in the form of a Bison(Dictator) Roundhouse. Not as fast but id say pretty similar.’
Friend’s response to his person’s quote
’you know what? just give bison a step kick, exept make it auto-dash so he can keep charge!’
Here’s a good one
Abel really really needs some wake up options cause if he fall down once it means he is dead.Hhe does not have any wake up option which make him very weak character.
His ex Marseilles Roll move can be throw invisible thus he can find a wake up chance.
aka: give him a vanilla sfxt roll so he can get out for free… I mean it costs a meter, akuma has a teleport, why not abel?
lol. with all the options these people keep asking for, it’s clear to me they don’t actually want to be playing SF4. they are in the wrong game.
“It costs meter so it is fair” the most overused excuse to try and make a move OP.
Sure let’s give Sagat a 1bar FADC that lets him do fierce fierce combos or link to sweep or do close HK - Angry Scar - Ultra 1.
The whole “it costs a meter so it’s fair/not op” is ALL over the Capcom Unity boards. (Btw that quote I gave is actually not on Capcom unity, it is from Ryan Hart’s blog.)
Also I love people saying Abel has NO wakeup options because Roll is throwable. Uhh hello? EX Tornado is Strike/Projectile invincible till active only 5F startup and regular tornado is throw invincible till active 5F startup. That right there covers all grounded mixups if you guess right. Then there is armored CoD and Roll to top it all off.
Abel may not have any one option that covers EVERYTHING but each of his options is viable for a different situation. He’s not like Cody/Juri/Rose/Gouken/Vega/Dhalsim/ect who are stuck with 1-2options that are sub par (either slow, limited invincibility, limited usability, or just bad.)
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=35lgocm&s=6
Eh, sry, but the range of unoiled SPD is already higher than Hakan regular throws(I think Dictator, Claw, Chun and Rose should have higher range) and you want to nerf it.
http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Super_Street_Fighter_IV_AE/Hakan
Study frame data , son.
I don´t want to say, but I feel like that some of the guys in the Hakan thread have given brainless suggestions(I am not saying that mines are great either, but I tried to give reasonable[not always,I guess] suggestions. -.-).
To be fair, 0.97 is smaller than SOME characters normal throws lol.
Cody is top tier
Also cody has sick wakeup game… on defense!
Plus we should just make it Super street fighter 4: cross tekken edition
Imo cody’s knife should 1 hit KO as being stabbed once in real life would be a KO [sticking to real life lore/cannon bitches]
Also… kappa?
Really why the fuck are people all on cody’s nuts? is it all the sfxt people that bitched about pre 2013 cody coming out of the woodwork to fuck up ae cody and make him even worse in this game too?
Through much of Vanilla through AE hardly anyone actually played the character consistently. It’s more lately because of Infiltration.
At the same time most of them are terrible with the character. The overall Akuma level (and experience against Akuma) in the US is really low compared to Japan.
Akuma has always been majorly popular among casuals, I mean he is a badass shoto with loads of options. He’s had a huge fanbase ever since his introduction. Remember most casuals won’t know who an Infiltration or Daigo are. Infiltration’s success has probably led to more mid core and high level players picking him up. However regardless of how he does in tournaments, Akuma has been and always will be one of the most popular characters.
Even the players I would call casual FGC (Follow the scene, but only lightly play the game competitively) didn’t pick up Akuma prior to Infiltration. I’m someone who monitors the “influx” of Akuma players and I can say with 100% certainty that prior to 2012 Akuma was generally a character that was not played very heavily in the US.
On SRK the Akuma forums for a long time was the same 10 people most of the time with a random person here or there. After Infiltration it exploded…though sometimes I think for the worse.
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Even the players I would call casual FGC (Follow the scene, but only lightly play the game competitively) didn’t pick up Akuma prior to Infiltration. I’m someone who monitors the “influx” of Akuma players and I can say with 100% certainty that prior to 2012 Akuma was generally a character that was not played very heavily in the US.
On SRK the Akuma forums for a long time was the same 10 people most of the time with a random person here or there. After Infiltration it exploded…though sometimes I think for the worse. [/quote]
We are thinking of different things I think. Casual FGC still aren’t casual gamers. Casual gamers don’t know what an FGC is, don’t post on SRK or other sites, play for fun, and as I said before don’t know who Infiltration, Daigo, or any of the top players are.
You can be casual and still watch. It’s like football fan who don’t follow who is even on their favorite team but will still watch the games.
Comparing Gouken’s parry to Hakan’s back dash normal cancels. Also calling the counter “nearly unbeatable” guess he forgot you can THROW Gouken and that unless gouken burns meter the parry is limited and requires you to know high/low/mid which also varies randomly based on the opponent’s attack as they aren’t based on “is this a low attack, is this an overhead, is it blockable both standing and crouching?” it is based on the hitbox position.
Yang thread: Reasonabke people askig for Yang to be restored to decently playable state
Yun thread: YUN GOT NERFED SO HARD EVERY MATCH IS AN UPHILL BATTLE IF YOU LOSE TO YUN YOU GOT OUTPLAYED HARD Y YUN DO BAD VS GRAPPLERS HALP PLS
So far it seems like mid tiers are more reasonable in their suggestions than top or bottom tiers. Of course they only “top” tier type characters that have been done so far are Yun/Makoto/Ryu/Rufus/Sagat and arguably they aren’t “high tier” but I consider them all High Mid tier or a Low High tier (lol that makes no sense but w/e) all of them are competitive. The bottom tiers have def upped the derp factor (note: this is going by the current tier placements which can shift as we know, and we mostly agree Hakan and Evil Ryu are stronger than the popular views put them. Just too inconsistent at the moment and end up with “free point” syndrome where people rate them lower based simply on lack of experience or popular trends.)
I’d say that the most reasonable overall (meaning the least amount of STUPID suggestions, they all have had their retarded suggestions, but some get repeated more than others.) Has been Yang, Cody, Guy, Guile, Gen, Rose, Dhalsim and Deejay have been OK. At least compared to stuff like Dan, Ryu, Evil Ryu, Abel, Hakan, Ken, Makoto and Bison which have had a fairly overwhelming level of stupid.
It shames me that so much stupid went into Makoto’s thread. I am spoiled by the high level of intelligence displayed here on the Makoto forums on SRK…the number of people asking for armor/projectile invicibility on EX Hayate blew my mind.
TBQH I expected the level of stupidity in the Makoto forums and the level of stupidity in the Cody forums to be swapped. I really expected a lot of dumb Cody players to show up or dumb non-cody players asking for nerfs. And I expected Makoto to be relatively decent other than a few people asking for her axe kick to break armor and EX Hayate to go through projectiles plus a couple of people asking to nerf her Karakusa - Ultra 1 combo.
Just seemed like a more straight forward, almost shoto-esque type character like Cody would attract more herp derp posters and that the people who play Makoto would a bit less popular all together.
Then again I also expected more derp from the Dhalsim and Yang forum and less from the Bison and Chun forums. Other than being right about the Evil Ryu forums being a bastion of idiocy (which everyone with half a brain saw coming) I’ve been surprisingly WRONG about which forums would attract idiots.