Easy enough to do - just flip your Saltire 45 degrees and stick some fleur de lis on it and you’ve got yourself Quebec’s flag
Val notes to why he doesn’t want Quebec to separate
1)We are broke as shit
2) nobody who wants to separate has ever addressed the question "what happens after"
3) If it happens, I’m moving to Toronto.
edit: when I say broke, I don’t mean “Canada is taking our ressources” broke, I mean “The rest of Canada has to pay for us” broke.
Yea but why seperate in the first place?
Because the feeling stems not from a place of independent power but rather a deep rooted xenopobia and racism. It’s not that they want to be independent, it’s that they want to be alone and away from the “Dirty anglophones”.
Aye, looks like theyve been calling for sovereignty for a while, what is the pro argument?
I will be 100% honest with you, beyond “We need to save the Francophone culture in Quebec”, I don’t know what the pro argument is because every time I’ve had this discussion, it resulted in insults being thrown my way for speaking English and the conversation got nowhere. I’m sure there are valid arguments Pro but I ain’t seen them.
Actually from their side of things i can see that Quebec kinda fits the bill:
It’s got it’s own distinct language (French), a different culture (Closer values to the US than the rest of the country), a few natural ressources (Lumber, hydro power and hey, number 2 manufacturer of asbestos in the world), and kinda geographical limits (very loosely used here).
that’s old voters for you. In the Us, the overwhelming majority of voters are old people. There’s a reason why the republicans say the shit they do, and why they are scrambling for younger voters.
Ever since that shit stain Obezzy, young voters got duped into voting in large elections, and repulicans want some of that.
Let Quebec go. They will be flat broke in no time.
Last referendum the natives were walking around with guns. They know they are fucking fucked if Quebec separates.
Let them separate, then Canada can invade them and wipe them the fuck out
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The irony is a huge amount of Quebecois join the Canadian military because they have no job skills. I bet they will love it if Quebec separates.
Sounds kind of like when Texas threatens to secede. They actually have a lot of resources and a decent economy, but they subsist on a lot of federal money, soooo… if they were to actually DO it, it probably wouldn’t be good for them in the long run.
Sorry I thought you were referring to my post that yours was underneath. 
OT: Scotland: THe only country to be offered independence and turned it down.
A year ago, if you could list every country’s likelihood to reject independence from most likely to least, Scotland would be right at the bottom.
An “Onion” style article about the whole ordeal:
And when the EU came around Europe consolidated. What the fuck kind of freedom do you have when the well being of your country is attached to the success of others? Leaving the uk just to turn around and join the eu is just swapping the blonde for the brunette. You’ll still be in a marriage, you just get to sing a new prenup.
lol Alex Jones did an episode on the referendum.
I can’t bring myself to watch it, if anyone is brave enough to sit through the entire thing please post a summary.
If your country is at the top of the pile, it works because you can dictate policy and strongarm people. I think too much importance has been placed on the EU and they’re starting to see that it’s not all they hoped it would be.
With that said, if Scotland WERE independent, they’d have more say in what goes on in their own country. As it is now, London tells them what’s up and they really have no choice in the matter.
ah, ok then, ignore the rant.
Talk of today, for anyone outside the UK, has been regarding English independence, ironically. The conservatives are asking that, since Scotland wants England to play not part in Scottish-only matters, that Scotland doesn’t get a say in English matters.
Politically, it’s a clever way to remove the Labour party’s influence in England, since the bulk of Labour is in Northern England/Southern Scotland.
This, and a few other things are being argued over at the moment and it’s halting the promises of more power in Scotland, which was agreed upon, regardless of independence.
In short, the Tories are now in a position where they can push anyone around they want, for as long as they want, and the only way to progress forward is to either grind through endless, trivial debates, or give them what they want.
I’ve been reading about that and does seem like a strange situation they have over there 4 countries, with 4 separate parliaments…with 3 of the countries having reps in English parliament.
Most of my Scottish friends’ mindset was something similar to: “Scotland’s kind of a shithole, so I don’t see a benefit in independence other than 'Fuck England”…but Fuck England!" Based on those sentiments, I think it’s probably better for Scotland that they didn’t go independent since from most of the things I’ve read there didn’t seem to be a real game plan if the “Yes” side won. Also, it’s probably better for the rest of Europe that it happened this way.
…Fuck England? The problem is that they are being fucked BY England mate.
Staggering to hear so many Americans during this debate, who are probably the proudest nation when it comes to their freedom, sympathising with the English ( aka lobsterbacks when you were gunning for your own independence from them)
Scotland is a paradise, not a shithole. When I was living in Glasgow, I was commuting 1000 miles a week from London, just to be there/not be in London. The only reason Scots allow it to be called a shithole is so that it doesn’t draw too much attention to the rest of the world.
The few negative matters in Scotland, such as the poverty line and business/economic migration that should be handled by the government haven’t been.
In Scotland, you surrender your economy, your political needs and your global standpoints to a government that has no interest in your country. Furthermore, their intent on dissolving state healthcare, pensions and a significant amount of the public sector - one of Scotland’s biggest employment pools, means that not only does unity with England not support Scottish values, it actually contradicts and threatens Scottish values.
Your forefathers wouldn’t stand for it; they killed for it. All Yes voters are doing is politely asking to leave, no war or tea sabotage necessary. Is that unreasonable?