No that the other 2/3.
LOL
A lot of it is culture. Everytime an equipment is down, that slows down production, not that it matters in general because the service is usually spared. It’s just that people think “cheaper is better”, but honestly you get what you paid for. A lot of these people don’t give a fuck and think every environmentalist is a tree hugger and that highly prevalent cancer rates as well respiratory illnesses in the local town is just “coincidence”.
The fat cats at the top don’t give a fuck about you or me unless you force them to financially.
O and the excuse is always “that would cost too much” and “hurr durr conspiracy from the Chinese to cut jobs in the US economy”
Yeah but now the lack of regulation is going to COST them money because they’re going to have to spend it A.undoing all the damage they’ve done, or B.equipping a military to go take resources from some other country. And this is not to mention the skyrocketing costs of health care due to the cancer and other illnesses brought on because rather than do things the right way, they decided to just say fuck it and go full steam ahead without thinking of the impact. Being environmentally friendly is actually LESS expensive in the long run, at least for the government and the population at large. The company might grumble about it, but what about all the people who now have lots of medical bills because the factory they live near decided not to put filters on their smokestacks?
This is the 21st century. They have no excuse for not examining the mistakes made in the American industrial revolution and trying to avoid them. In our lifetime, unless they do a 180, China WILL fuck up what remaining resources it has. And I doubt that the money they’ve made will cover enough resources for their entire population. So China’s situation can stand to get a lot worse, and the way the government behaves, it probably will.
A very good documentary about the current situation in China:
I guess this is more of a wait and see approach right now, but you can’t help but wonder how long this will last…
Lengthy but worth reading,
I read all that and all I took from it is "humanity is doomed"
That seems about right.
And I’m not arguing against that, but being enviormental is expensive, especially if you aren’t held responsible for the mess you make. If you transfer the cost of pick up to the company, then the company is going to stop, if you don’t pass that cost, they company will continue because they aren’t being fined. It’s about the bottom line.
It does cost more, when you look at current legislation and trends. change legislation, and the cost of running a dirty plant becomes exponentially more expensive than a clean one. At this point, you just rephrased everything I said, excpet for the culture part.
Cost who, what?
The cost can either be transferred solely to the companies, or it can be split between the government and the companies. The latter being the most responsible and sensible one. also, health care what? China’s health care costs are cheap realtive to the money they make, and doesn’t cover serious illness, essentially leaving the patient to cover more than half his bill. This isn’t America where the cost of 70 year old fat fucks with electric 4x4 scooters is passed to the tax payer, because there exists laws that force hospitals to accept everybody. I also doubt, healthcare costs would skyrocket in China, if anything, the quality would degrade while costs stay relatively the same. Chinese health economics can’t be compared to American health economics.
Being environmentally friendly is only cheaper in the long run if legislation or trends change. They aren’t cheaper by default. What drives trends in energy is the diminishing returns in increasingly scarce raw materials and the discovery of learning how to manipulate another process to generate energy that is somewhat cheaper and plentiful to phase out the old trend. Or institute legislation, where companies have to be clean, otherwise pay fines that make it more expensive to continue current operations or deal with regulatory commissions that will shut you down.
When you hear big business say, this is going to hurt jobs, etc, they aren’t really lying. It is going hurt jobs, because jobs will have to be cut to keep profits up. Smaller profits, no investment, therefore the company dies. This extreme is what big companies live and die by, and that’s how the justify what they do. and it is unfortunate that people will eventually get all sorts of cancers and what not, but the issue here is the bottom line, and China’s current economic status and growth would have not been possible without all the bullshit that’s going on. If it wasn’t for that the fact that no regulations existed, investors and companies wouldn’t have invested trillions into China because it wouldn’t have been as profitable. You can’t have that level of growth with that many people in such a short time, with heavy regulation, and strong competition from other possible 3rd world countries, while simultaneously trying to outsell nations that already have strong trade with other nations.
China is in that situation because investors encouraged that rapid unregulated growth in order to sell customers the lowest priced product possible. Nobody is going to say no to millions of dollars, until after you get and it’s been a while.
it doesn’t help that there are literally illegal companies in China. Like seriously, where the fuck else would you hear about an illegal brick company?
The down fall will come one day just waiting
It’s the industrial revolution on steroids and it’s not stopping unless big companies start producing shit in America .If Apple ,nike and the others made shit in America and under current regulations shit would be way different
Or maybe if business around the world scaled down instead of up? Though that would require the guts and rationality to recognize that constant expansion on a finite world is horrifically stupid.
this is what happens when you have too much population who are not environmentally friendly at all…now other countries are at risk.
Way different?
Alot of things wouldn’t be able to support themselves and would invariably go under. You mentioned Nike, if they made them over here, with the regulations they’d have to stick to with regards to cost for manufacturing, shoes would all go up by like $50 in price. It would be un-sustainable.
I think the information age is ruining alot of things, especially with the spread of wealth, the need to literally ‘kill yourself’ to get ahead has lowered life expectancy and overall happiness levels. I’m not a greedy dude, but to make my worth I have to work incredibly hard - often at my own expense - whether its working 24 hours straight, skipping meals & inheriting poor eating practices, lack of excersize, etc…and I don’t consider myself a special case. We all need to slow down and smell the roses, but success is predicated on skipping out on smelling the roses and hoping you can cut them down to take home to eventually smell when you get a chance.
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BS, I’m calling that.
2005, my best friend and I went to a new Chinese place that had just opened up in suburban Indianapolis. I had just moved there, and we were both looking for a good Chinese place in the area, because every effort to had turned up fruitless.
What shocked us there, was that not only the cooks, but the entire friggin staff was Mexican. (I’m 75% sure now that they were Mexican and not Filipinos.*) The taste was terrible, we never went back, and I don’t think anyone else did either, because it closed within a couple months.
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*I hate to sound racist against Filipinos, because I’m not. Surprisingly, my working relationship with CZ improved before she left to go home. It’s just that back in the day, I could in no way discern the difference between Mexicans and Flips, considering the complexions were similar and the Spanish last names that most Filipinos had, I could never tell the difference. So in hindsight, they could’ve been Filipino, but regardless of their native land, their Chinese cuisine sucked.[/details]
Eh…Filipinos are the mexicans of Asia. This is a widely accepted fact.
So…who wants to make a company that makes money cleaning up the planet? We gonna make hella money on it.
That’s fine. They make too many anyway. And all at the cost of the sweatshop and pollution, ‘its not our problem because its over there.’ They’ve benefitted from cheap labor for nearly 40 years now. Go read up about New Balance made in America.
Did you really want those Jordans? Quality goes down while price goes up on those every year.
Apple
“The company announced they are upset they didn’t profit 100 billion this quarter to meet expectations, now they will layoff workers as the stockholders demanded more”
That’s fine you commit to your goals and overlook personal health from the demands of work, but you’re not alone in that.
http://sacom.hk/sweatshops-are-good-for-apple-and-foxconn-but-not-for-workers/
Rioting from the conditions. And it goes back to lockdown like a prison soon after. So many riots, its just another day. Bus in workers from even poorer places next time to keep them in line.
Oh no, the apple iphone 5 they just announced won’t be ready in 1 week, just like before they announce it and have it for sale right away. Conan and the rest joke about the foxconn sweatshop plant. Far funnier than the Samsung phone made locally.
They can stand to profit less. And I think it was one of the google phones, not necessarily samsung.