actually what happens when a normal like his c.lk and a throw become active at the same time?
I’ve actually used
I’ve actually used ex. uppercut against bison players pretty successfully. Sparingly but successfully. Couple of days ago, played a bison who would ex. psycho to get out of jump fierce (insert blockstring). So I would jump fierce, st. jab, cr. jab pause for a frame or two and he’d ex psycho to get out and my ex. uppercut beats it clean.
this may have just been unique to the bison player i played against so idk
Found something that should make the Akuma matchup a little easier, if Akuma jumps towards you in DP range. Always use MP DP because if he air fireballs, the DP will go right under it and beat the jump in cleanly. Attempting to juggle him from LP DP to HP DP will trade or get beat.
Been playing Saks a little on the side again lately. This is probably known but I was messing around in training mode and found that any jump in, lets say: mp.srk, j.hk (OS s.hk) will beat Rose her wakeup reversals.
*Updated the first post because I’m such a nice guy.
Does anyone have a complete list on all the fake crossup setups?
All the formatting was lost when I copied it here but meh don’t feel like doing all the work to fix it
* Abel - jump hp, cr.mp, j.hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
* Adon - cr. HP, dash back, J. Hp (fake crossup) /J. Mk (crossup)
* Akuma : jump, cr.mp, j.hp (unblockable)
notes: if Akuma does nothing, he won’t be hit
* Dash, lp dp, j.mk (unblockable) ~os backjump cr.mk xx dp and it’s a guaranteed kill
* Balrog - backjump, dash, j.mk (fake crossup) / j.lk (crosses up, delay if necessary)
* Bison - Backdash, lk tatsu, j.hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
notes: I almost never use that. I usually go for: otoshi x3, you end up in the corner, lk tatsu to crossup dicta again -> throw/cr.lk/frwd. mk/hp/istant overhead/whatever
this way he LOSES his charge and can’t psycho crusher out. I copied Uryo off course
* Blanka - n/a
* Throw,st.lk,j.mk(unblockable)
* Cammy - Backdash, lk tatsu, j.hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (a little delayed for crossup)
notes: midscreen after ex tatsu, do dash, sweep, lk, j.hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
* Chun Li- jump, cr.mp, j.mk ( unblockable)
notes: there is no reason for not doing this unblockable. If you just wanna do a fake crossup, there’s the chance it won’t be a safe jump agaist ex. spinning. I’m working on a midscreen unblockable and I’m pretty confident I can make it. Check some posts earlier for the others unblockables
* Throw,st.lk,j.mk(unblockable)
* Cody - frwd jump hp, cr.mp, j.hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
* cr.hp,backdash,j.mk(unblockable)
* Throw, st.lk, j.mk (unblockable)
* Dan : backjump, dash, j. hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
* Dee Jay - backjump hp, dash, j. hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup) (unblockable setup if timed correctly with j.hp)
* cr.hp,backdash,j.hp(unblockable)
* Dhalsim - Backdash, lk tatsu, j.hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
* Dudley : backjump, dash, j,hp (unblockable)
notes: if you mess up the setup, often the hp will be a fake crossup
* El Fuerte-Backdash,lktatsu,j.hp(unblockable)
* cr.hp,backdash,j.mk(unblockable)
* Evil Ryu- jump hp, cr.mp, j.hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
notes: really tricky timing
* Fei Long- backdash, lk tatsu, j.hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
* cr.hp,backdash,j.mk(unblockable)
* Gen : jump, cr.mp, j.hp (unblockable)
notes: if Gen does nothing, he won’t be hit
* Dash, lp dp, j.mk (unblockable)
* Gouken : the parry blows up every setup, so just stay in the front and mix it up from there
* Guile - backjump, dash, jump hk (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
notes: super ambiguous, and the only character that requires j.hk
* Guy - jump, cr.mp, j.hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
notes: the hp/mk hits REALLY late
* Throw,st.lk,j.mk(unblockable)
* Hakan - backjump, dash, j. hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
* Honda - n/a
* Ibuki -jump, cr.mp, j.hp ( unblockable)
notes: if you mess up the setup, the hp will be a fake crossup
unblockables: mp shoryu, hold up j.mk
after sweep and throw: tap down, j. mk
* Throw,st.lk,j.mk(unblockable)
* Juri - backjump, dash, j. hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (a little delayed if necessary)
* Ken - backjump, dash, j. hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
* Makoto backjump, dash, j. hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
notes: depending on how high you hit with the otoshi, you should delay the mk a little bit just to be sure to crossup
* Rose - jump, cr.mp, j.hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
* Backdash, lk tatsu, j.HP/j.mp
* Rufus - jump, dash, j.hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
* (midscreenunblockable)
EXtatsu-> dash -> sweep -> whiffcr.LK->j.HP. (if you blockfowardit hits from the front, if you block back it hits you cross-up, if you don’t block it hits you cross-up; reversals whiff)
* Ryu -backjump, dash, j. hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
* Sagat - Backdash, lk tatsu, j.hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
notes: hp timing is tricky
* Jump, dash, j.hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
after meterless otoshi combo (cr.hp xx otoshix2) do dash, dash, cl.st.mk, j.hp/j.mk
* Neutral jump, dash x2, j.HP/j.mk
* Sakura : Dash, lp dp, j.mk (unblockable)
* Seth: backdash, lk tatsu, j.hp or hk (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
notes: after meterless otoshi combo (hp xx otoshix2) do dash, dash, cl.st.mk, j.hp/j.mk
* T Hawk - backdash, lk tatsu, j.hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
notes: very tricky, but often you end up in the front even with the fake crossup so it’s great
* Vega - cr.hp, backdash, j.mk (unblockable)
* Viper - Backdash, lk tatsu, j.hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
* cr.hp,backdash,j.mk(unblockable)
* Dash, lp dp, j.mk (unblockable)
* Yang : backjump, dash, j. hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (a little delayed if necessary)
notes: the timing on the j.hp is a little tricky
* Throw,st.lk,j.mk(unblockable)
* Yun : backjump, dash, j. hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (a little delayed if necessary)
notes: the timing on the j.hp is a little tricky
* cr.hp,backdash,j.mk(unblockable)
* Throw,st.lk,j.mk(unblockable)
* Zangief - backdash, lk tatsu, j.hp (fake crossup) / j.mk (crossup)
Cool, updated*
Does Dudley ex counter beat the corner setups?
New Oni setup
Nj.HP > dash > j.HP/MP
back jump dash j.hp/mk also works on oni. It’s probably my go to setup since it works on like half the cast or something.
lol yeah, if I can’t remember a particular character’s setup, I just try that one.
So what’s the best way to approach the Dhalsim match up? I just can’t seem to find a proper strategy that works. Usually I have the most success when I just take insane risks and hope for the best, but this isn’t exactly a viable strategy in the long run.
J.hp beats close at the right angle, j.hk beats st.mk aa, j.lp beats knee.
Focus and take it slow, take your time you got 99seconds.
C.mp buffer hp.shouken outisde st.lk range if he throws it your in.
J.tatsu is good if he dosent k ow he has to use j.lp/mp mid air to counter it.
You can do 3fierce combo on him for maxi.um dmg from focus i belive it misses sometimes.
Dont let him escape c.lp os shouken is hard but a good option or just react to teleports with hp.srk theyre quite slow.
Your trap game and pressure has to be on point.
Thers some os with c.lp tatsu ultra 1 that will cathch everything i think.
Nice, some new stuff I didnt know about in there.
About the c.lp tatsu ultra 1 os, what exactly is supposed to happen? I was trying it out the other day, but not sure which moves are supposed to come out. For instance, is tatsu supposed to come out on block and ultra 1 on backdash/teleport?
Something like that yeah
aight cool, good to know, now I know what to look out for
OS from above ^
Everytime you see dhalsim teleport midscreen, cr. Hp will beat him trying to get in. Also cr. Hp beats his air normals so don’t let him get away with those shenanigans. Another common tactic Dhalsim players use are instant air overheads with his stretched limps, be ready to block it especially after he locks you down with his super.
A shenanigan I use against Dhalsim is standing at the edge of his st. Hp (stretched) range and level 3 focusing his fireball. Most dhalsims have the habit of doing Hp, fireball, hp, fireball, etc so the focus will grant you a free crumple. You can then dash I’m twice and get a free combo and land dat joocy hard knockdown. Its just a shenanigan so only do it once rofl
nice thanks for the vid
Accidently found an unblockable with this setup while playing around.
Sweep, dash, sitdown lk.shunpu (not safe vs reversal stuff)
already posted while back but throw jump over c.mp is meaty but do it with st.mp istead gives you +3 r +4 frames for more stuff and he cant do shit! except devils return or backdash = OS srk or someshit i need to see if i can CH combo anything nice from there aswell