I feel this is actually pretty accurate despite what a lot of people think; I decided to actually spend a good week working on Sagat and damn, I really just couldn’t do it. Combo’s, yeah, sure whatever they hit really hard but there is this subtle quality about him (I personally feel it’s his walk speed and dashing) that bothered the fuck out of me. After becoming accustomed to Guile’s 44% screen forward dash and upper-tier walk speed, playing Sagat feels like I’m walking with a broken ankle or something… The matches I did win, I won strictly through punishing mistakes and random SRK FADC’s.
To put it bluntly: Sagat becomes exponentially better based on how much worse your opponent is than you as a player, moreso than any other character. If you’re playing someone who casually makes more than 5 rather serious mistakes in a match, you will win almost every round. The big damage shit people complain about isn’t easy to hit, his forward roundhouse isn’t nearly as good as people tote it up to be, and I couldn’t stand that his normals didn’t chain…
The most intelligent post in this topic, I can’t think of any post any of you guys have made that explains all the possible fixes and balancing Sagat can have with such precise words… I can’t believe someone didn’t come up with this!
Of all the Sagat mainers out there , only 10 % can be seen as truely good sagats. 90 % use him because of his high damage and " top tier " status etc. These are all scrubs , who cant even do his bnb consistently. A sagat that cant confirm crlk crlk crlp x tu shouldnt even be using Sagat…out of the 10 % of good sagats about 5 % are truely on the Road of mastery with him. Eg Mago , Bonchan , Ojisan boy, Alioune , radiowave etc . .It is these Sagats that for the first time show how he should be used and why he is so feared. So when an online hero gets beat by “lolzken32212” on Xbox live who used Sagat and runs to forums bitching saying OP this OP that , it irritates me . SO many guys in my local scene wont shut up about how they cant beat my sagat because hese top tier and they cant get in bla bla , Its like they focus so much on it there bound to fucking lose anyway. THERE ARE NO TRUE MASTER SAGATS THAT ANYONE HERE HAS PLAYED! Unless you live in Japan your not playing any real Sagats at all.Play someone like Alioune and realise what OP is.
The only thing Sagat has which is slightly too much is his damage off TU FADC fw HK Ultra.Tone that shit down and then he is perfectly balanced . Every guy in my scene in England is talking about maining sagat now because hese so “op” . give these guys a week and there gonna drop him. Nobody actually knows how hard it is to use Sagat to a tournament level, learning some combos wont do shit .Its the rythm and feel of the character that they wont get used to for a long time . Anyway I cant wait for SSF4 when sagat has been " toned down" . Im still gonna use him , Im still gonna win , and im still gonna hear the same old same old.
if you’re talking about TU FADC f. HK Ultra then yea that’s free on most characters (after the TU). rog is one of the weird ones.
you can mash the ultra after the step in kick on pad.
Wait i dont even play SF4 really and just about beat MAGO. We fought dow to the last bit of power the i got hit by TU to Ultra which killed me. Sagat is fine, All that needs to be done is all the plasma shooters just dont have enough pause time when they shoot out there fire balls thats the only reason that Sagat and Ruy are so good they can shoot out two fireballs to your one sonicboom or koko
Yeah you’re right, sagat is hard to master. He’s my third ‘main’ so to speak and ive played and studied him a lot and im still not all that good with him.
-Cody’s ultra I combos full after an FADC’d hk Ruffian. It does less damage than his ultra II, which goes through fireballs and most likely can’t be combo’d into
-Adon’s ultras are very similar
-Chun’s Kikoshou ultra is easier to combo into than her first ultra, but does less damage
-Dan can FADC into his new Gadoken ultra, but it doesn’t do as much damage as his first one
-Ken can FADC into his new ultra to get full damage, which is more than he gets for FADC’ing into his first, but less than if his first connects
-One can assume that FADC into Metsu SRK does not connect for full damage
…and so on. Clear pattern. Capcom has stated that they specifically want all the ultras to have unique uses for each character. If all the set-ups for Tiger Cannon still work for Tiger Destruction and TD does a lot more damage, what’s the point of Tiger Cannon?
Tiers whores yes they are this can’t be denied. But they have extreme dedication to their chars and do not hesitate to share their knowledge with other players.
They are what all players should aspire to be in terms of their actions toward the community and they are true champions in every sense of the word.
If you play alioune you’ll realise that his sagat rapes because of how insanely safe and manouvreable his specials are. His ultra combo damage isn’t even an issue in most rounds.
Where are you from in the uk and what scene are you talking about? you talk about tournament level play have i met you at any UK tournaments? Got xbl i’d like a piece of your sagat that makes your scene cry.
i’ve always agreed that sagat isnt easy to use… lol hes no ryu as far as ease of use thats for sure. feels like hes walking in fast drying cement…
but i will say that it is easy to be effective with him… tiger x n mixed with st.hk gives all kinds of characters fits… and that shit is easy as all hell.
add in the “big bang” combo of doom, and well, hes pretty easy to be effective with and beat fools.
Aliounes Sagat is a different kind , the guy is just amazingly good in general , doesnt matter who he uses , thats why his ultra combo isnt an issue .Anwyay I Pm’d you about the matches.
Lol. No way. A good percentage of really good players are tier whores. Getting really good requires dedication, and drive. Sometimes that’s the desire to prove something, but often it’s the desire to win, or drive for public success. If you want to win, if you really want to win, why wouldn’t you choose the best available tools? I see Guiles, Claws (and Dan’s) around at arcades and online, often good ones who beat me, but when I go to tournaments, they’re much rarer, because the people at tournaments are there to motherfuckin’ win, and they want to use the tools the know are the best.
Of course, the reasons for the choice are different. Scrubby, true “tier” whores choose Ryu/Sagat because a website told them they were great. Tournament players will choose them because they know from experiance that they have better tools.
I can understand how you might get that idea though, because choosing high tier characters seems less common in the mid skill range, where it’s about pushing yourself to get better, to learn and to enjoy the game and the competition, as opposed to being the best in the area or getting easy wins with no effort.
i think a lot of people use sagat because he looks fucking cool, not because of tier lists.
he is huge, jacked and wears an eye patch.
plus, his other eye is white!
i play against more balrogs and blankas online than sagats.
ken and sagat are about equal in frequency.
you can take any two characters on the roster and add the number of times i have fought them together and that number will be less than the number of times i have fought ryu.
this is my outline of the sagat sifting process:
oh that character looks awesome, ill pick him!
ooh, he is strong in tournaments? awesome!
jesus, this guy is fucking slow.
tiger, tiger, tiger? are you serious?!?! but i want to run over everyone!
