Safe Jump-in Guide

[Bojador_pt]

Are you sure you can safe jump Ryu’s Super? It has 2 frame start up…

[pumakendo]

why has this not yet been stickied?

btw, i think (at least) rufus and sagat’s ultra can hit these supposed “safe” jump ins… or the timing is impeccably hard. i was able to easily safe jump other things, like rufus ex messiah or sagat’s tiger uppercut, but not those…

[EmblemLord]

You are serious? Sagat’s Ultra hit’s on frame 9 after Ultra freeze. You must be fucking up BADLY if you are getting hit by this on an attempted safe jump.

[RawwStewage]

why has this not yet been stickied?

btw, i think (at least) rufus and sagat’s ultra can hit these supposed “safe” jump ins… or the timing is impeccably hard. i was able to easily safe jump other things, like rufus ex messiah or sagat’s tiger uppercut, but not those…

I’m assuming you’re testing by recording the safe jump. If so the problem lies in the ultra freeze. During the ultra freeze the recorded inputs are still running so just record the blocking part of the safe jump for longer so that it’ll still be blocking by the time the ultra would actually come out and i think you’ll get your desired results.

[pumakendo]

ohhh thank you rawwstewage that makes sense, i totally forgot about that. yeah and i am testing by recording. good catch.

[RawwStewage]

Np :tup:

[Knifecuts]

Doesn’t that gootecks video of that jp player doing safe jump ins count with vega and fei long? Don’t those attacks go though any attemp you do no matter what it is…

[System_1]

Safe jumps are extremely hard (or impossible) against moves that have been
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[rrr]

if you perform a safe jump without attacking, does this means you can guard on frame 2 or 3 after landing? or is it still the same (guard on frame 4) even though you did not attack

[pieton]

If you dont do an attack while jumping you recover 2 frames earlier. Than its called an ‘empty jump’ rather than a 'safe jump’
Safe jump imply an attack. So character like Ryu or Ken that cannot be safe jump can sure be empty jumped to bait their reversal.

[JoontheBaboon]

Post #74 should have what you’re looking for.

To reiterate the important info:

• jump landing recovery is uniformly 4 frames
• if a jumping attack is not done, canceling landing recovery with a special, normal, or guard is possible (canceling with movement, jumping, dashing, backdashing is not possible). caution, jump ~ jump can be thrown before the second jump.
• if a jumping attack is done, canceling landing recovery is not possible through the 2nd frame. However, canceling 3rd~4th frames with guard is possible.

What this means is any invincible reversal that is 3 frames or faster (hits on the third frame or earlier) cannot be safe jumped. To break it down:

1st Frame:
You are in the air. You are performing a meaty jump-in attack.
Your opponent’s first wake-up frame aka the Reversal frame. Your opponent performs an invincible move on this frame.

2nd Frame:
You are now on the ground. This is your first landing frame. Since you performed a jumping attack you cannot cancel your landing recovery into a block.
If your opponent’s reversal attack can hit on the second frame, you will get hit. If your opponent’s reversal attack cannot hit on the second frame, you are still safe.

3rd Frame:
You are still on the ground. This is your second landing frame. You still cannot block.
If your opponent’s reversal attack can hit on the third frame, you will get hit. If you opponent’s reversal attack cannot hit on the third frame, you are still safe.

4th Frame:
You are still grounded. This is your third landing frame. You CAN cancel your landing recovery into block, i.e. it is now possible for you to block.
If your opponent’s reversal can hit on the fourth frame or later, you can block and are safe.

This is assuming you perform your safe jump properly and the opponent performs a reversal special.

There are a couple of loopholes around this. Zangief’s reversal Super or Ultra as noted in the first post or certain meaty cross-up set-ups that cause reversals to face the wrong direction. However, the way to get around wrong direction reversals is to simply delay your input (so it’s not a reversal) or perform the motion in the opposite direction.

AFAIK that’s how it works/should work and this explanation corresponds to the info found in the first post, but if there’s something contradictory, let me know.

“If a jumping attack is done, canceling landing recovery is not possible through the 2nd frame. However, canceling 3rd~4th frames with guard is possible.”

After a jumping attack is done, can we cancel the 3rd~4th landing frame into a normal or special? Or is it only possible after the landing frame (“5th frame”)?

[Theli]

Without an attack during a jump, you can block or attack on frame one. There are no landing recovery frames unless you attack, or just started an attack, in the air. Unfortunately, because it’s so difficult to time on a single frame, the only way you might take real advantage of this is with negative edge for special moves/supers/ultras that do not have an air equivalent.

If you do attack during a jump, you can block starting at the 3rd recovery frame. And you cannot initiate an attack/grab/move/another jump until the 5th recovery frame, which is just after the jump recovery frames are over. Jump recovery frames do not prevent you from teching a techable throw.

[JoontheBaboon]

Without an attack during a jump, you can block or attack on frame one. There are no landing recovery frames unless you attack, or just started an attack, in the air. Unfortunately, because it’s so difficult to time on a single frame, the only way you might take real advantage of this is with negative edge for special moves/supers/ultras that do not have an air equivalent.

If you do attack during a jump, you can block starting at the 3rd recovery frame. And you cannot initiate an attack/grab/move/another jump until the 5th recovery frame, which is just after the jump recovery frames are over. Jump recovery frames do not prevent you from teching a techable throw.

Thank you very much.

[JoontheBaboon]

Can you be thrown/tech during your jump frames? Or are you considered airborne from the 1st jump frame?

[Theli]

You aren’t technically considered airborne from the 1st jump frame since you can still be hit by low attacks. But you are given throw immunity for those first few frames until you’re officially airborne.

[melody]

uh why’s this not stickied

[SynikaL]

Is there a list of Meaty Attacks than can function similar to Safe Jumps??

[mrmarkrobson]

I’ve been doing what I think are safe jump cross ups with sakura’s j.mk after throws or otoshi. My friend plays both cammy and sagat, and when i get my timing correct, my j.mk clips him on the back of the head for both of his reversal cannon spike and tiger uppercuts.

Is this a true safe jump? or is my friends reversal timing just not correct. (his reversals do not auto correct their direction this is what i mean by tagging him on the back of the head when i jump in.)