Ryu changes in SSFIV thread

Honestly, I don’t think the developers can pull that off. Im basing this opinion on what they released w/ SF4 and what we’ve seen so far of Super. That is, the seemingly random amount of useful tools some characters got over others in the original, and the gameplay additions shown in the update so far. We’ve seen that Deejay has an EX that crumbles, which he can then land Ultra w/. Juri has an EX that results in a wallbounce, which we can assume juggles into ultra. These are two characters that already appear to have a lot of tools, speed, all around good game.

Using this info, we can infer that these new EX properties will be given to much of the cast (presumably those that need it to land their ultras easier) and is Capcom’s answer to the balancing problem. Obviously this doesn’t mean that they are the ONLY changes to be implemented, but it does suggest a rather simple “across the board” solution. Rather than improve the lower tiered characters using the established gameplay, the devs opted to tweak the basics of the gameplay itself, resulting in a greater emphasis on Ultras as a whole.

Of course, all of this is assuming that these new properties arent exclusive to DeeJay and Juri, respectively. This is unlikely just because it would seem silly to create them for only one character, and what’s more, if it were the case, I’d say the two of them both shoot right up to the top of the tier list.

Well honestly, making the basics of the gameplay really strong has been proven time and again by Arcs systems to be a winning formula for balancing games.

An individual chars options might suck complete ass but if the universal options are good enough then that char will still be in good shape.

I think it’s hilarious that people want to post up like “100% CONFIRMED DEE JAY COMBOS ULTRA FROM CRUMPLE-STUN EX MOVES OMG” considering at the very same event where they got that info from, the guy demoing the game basically outright said one of the moves they were showing off was going to be completely changed in the final version (Hint: T.Hawk’s ultra). To me this should completely call into question ANYTHING we see until we get shown a build that is further along, maybe in January.

I remember reading somewhere that Ono commented that anything seen with Juri should be taken with a grain of salt since at this point she basically combos from anything to anything. Can’t remember where I saw that though.

I think people are reading waaaay too much into this. No way Seth is going to tell a room full of dudes who have been waiting in line for hours that any character is getting worse. No way is he going to say that any character is going to get radically/game changingly better. It was a strict script:

-everybody is getting better! (vague enough to mean anything)

-Seth is going to be cheaper (for those of us that play arcade a bunch?)

-New Offline and Online modes (hidden gem of the event, actual new info nobody seems to care about)

-Biggest single game upgrade in SF history, “Juiciest”. Well worth $40

That was pretty much it for announcements. When he said Sagat was getting better it was in response to some guy yelling “OMG Will they NERF Sagat for Lulz sake WTF???” (not an actual quote because it was loud and crowded). Seth responded by saying, “Nope, he is getting better. Everyone is getting better…”

Very PC statement. Crowd appeasing and not significant other than the fact that Capcom really seems to give a shit.

Ono has mentioned several times in interviews that he got reamed by the fans for saying there would be bonus stages and they didn’t make it in. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are playing it very safe so they can release a high quality product in the time frame set forth. Soft statements and deliberate vagaries are very useful in politicking and sales. IMO, the key isn’t to try to limit and define the vague statements; they key is to latch on to the factual statements and and corroborate.

It is entirely within the realm of possibility that Dan will be S-Tier and Chun Li will have Instant Hell Murder and Ryu’s FB will only go half screen. (Not really but just stating that to show how rampant speculation can derail). That being said, it is fun as hell to discuss and theorize and so on and so forth… just wanted to drop my two pennies.

Also, Ryu’s c.mk is retarded, remove it and replace with an animation of him clipping his toenails or something.

edit: Elliot has a great point too, I plan to doubt everything until I have the game in my system and I can see how shit works.

Not too bad, because you can already juggle from the EX hadoken and tatsu from the corner.

If it has some decent risk factor of using it (like slow startup or slow recovery) … and if other characters start to get more buffs that allow juggling into their ultras, then no it wouldn’t be too bad.

Edit: But it’s going to be a bit lame if people can randomly mash the EX version from the middle of the screen for a free ultra.

If you’re referring to Seth saying Hawk’s ultra was too far away and then he grabbed Yuri, I don’t think that will change at all. Honestly, I think that was a misread on Seth’s part as he took it as Hawk’s ultra having crazy range that they had to “fix”, whereas it looked to me definitely like a simple case of Yuri happening to stick out a low poke during the ultra animation, thus extending her range to get ultra’d. The fact that Seth was surprised at what happened reinforces this.

That said, I agree that things will continuously be tweaked as the development goes on. My point, though, was more about the evidence of the new game mechanics themselves being implemented and their likely integration w/ the cast.

When you think that they mentioned there will be new moves for every character including ultras, wouldn’t that mean getting buffs? I really think Capcom could looking at data and balance things accordingly. At least I hope. I for one would like to see more characters besides Sagat and ryu to be used and do well in tourneys. i know Gen, who I main, is considered really good now and represented well.

Thats a really old concept too. Miyamoto musashi talks about the same thing ( not verbatum ) in his book, the book of 5 rings. Written in 1645.

I really like that quote too. :slight_smile:

oh and on a second note, when I mentioned the disrespect kick earlier, I wasn’t trying to start a downward slope of conflict between all you guys. Like I said before, Ryu dosen’t REALLY need a thing. Sure as players we all kinda wish our characters had more, but in reality, aside from the changes necessary to keep him in line with the rest of the ssf4 cast, he won’t need a thing.

As far as speculation goes, I think that the person who was talking about the possible special EX properties might be onto something. That gives me hope for the disrespect kick XD. In any event, I just want it because its cool as shit looking. I would integrate it into my playstyle, regardless of the reprocutions.

Ryu already has that, man. Ex fire ball in the corner and Ex tatsu in the corner.

I think he was referring to ST, rather than his 3xP/K’s.

I agree that the flips aren’t very good though.

I was talking about how it can set up Ultra no matter where you are on the stage. I know that would cause a uproar so that’s why I said forget it. I just hope Dee Jay isn’t so godly in other aspects of his game because he already has 2 EX moves that set up Ultra. Not that it won’t change in the future, but that’s what we’re seeing right now.

Neither Scarlet Terror (his “anti-air”) or his backflips are good.

Scarlet Terror gets stuffed by everything, backflips have more recovery than the move their supposed to dodge. You backfip a move, but they recover and beat you down anyway.

LoL@punishing people based on tires and char usage online.

Horse kick.

Yeah, I forgot the name Scarlet Terror. It needs some I. Frames.

i know!! give him c.mk xx Ultra anywhere!!

funniest thread of the year

Maybe the Sagat buffs Seth is talking about just means that he’s going to make Sagat’s muscle’s bigger.

shin shoryuken

this thing is hilarious. try comparing every changes mentioned here with that of guile. and you will stop complaining…