Easier to perform does not mean superior utility. EX hadou and EX Tatsu are part of the same mixup, but don’t have the same utility so I’d seperate them. In corner EX hadou is a absurd poke and EX tatus is a nasty throw punish. EX hadou can also be FADC midscreen into ultra making for some really scary footsies. In fact rufus has ONE viable midscreen ultra setup, (barring Gief, Rog and Vega which is already a tight link):target combo - which doesn’t hit duck for several characters(=pain) and against tight block can be hard to land. Particularly against ryu, btw. Ryu basically just needs meter and he can land it when he wants to. And its not like he’ll be hurting for meter with all the fireballs coming your way. Another thing is anti air super, rufus has to guess by and large that you’re jumping(although reaction EX snake strike mitigates this somewhat) but if you just jump blindly at ryu - enjoy the fireball enema. Every. Time. Also shoryu FADC cancel is safe in more ways than EX messiah making it an easy toss and find out for big dmg. I don’t think much of 'rogs cause random headbutt is very unsafe and the dmg isn’t too great anyway on launch.
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lol, Sagat has 7/3 and 6/4’s on EVERY character in the game except Ryu, Akuma, and Dhalsim … compare that to ryu who has like 5 6/4’s and the rest are 5/5’s of course. That inherently makes him different in terms of tiers. Just cuz the matchup is even doesn’t mean he is equivalent in tiers.
Ryu’s Ultra is the lowest damaging ultra in the game … so they did scale it …
Ryu is good but most of the characters that he “beats” have a major deficiency in their game. Rufus has no good way to poke but dominates upclose mixup, but SRK FADC makes anyone who can link major damage off of it a uphill battle for Rufus as they can zone him (lack of poke) and safely deal with his mixup game (srk fadc).
Ryu just needs EX hurricane to not link to Ultra in the corner and buffing the crappy characters will make him not OP. The game is very balanced and if Ryu was top tier that would hardly be bad considering most of his matchup are 5/5’s.
Another thing would be to make the Reversal window lower which would get rid of auto-correct BS, diminish the power of SRKFADC>ULTRA.
It’s really funny. Because everytime I come into this thread, it’s like people who are just butthurt because they can’t beat a Ryu are asking for changes so that their character has a better chance against him.
And then they go back to their character threads, and ask for however many buffs they want.
Just keep him the fucking same. Asking for shit like Nerfing his shoryuken(which is ridiculous, because it’s already been nerfed from Super Turbo) and adding more recovery frames on his Hadouken(Which completely fucks up his game entirely), is not only ridiculous it’s unfounded.
Once again, if you want to balance this game, then you buff the characters which need it. Not nerf characters insanely. This game isn’t going to be any better if we have Sagat’s at BOTTOM Tier and suddenly Vega’s rising to the top, because the exact same problems with balance are going to arise once again.
There is nothing overpowered about this character. And if you think so, you’re not outplaying your opponent. I’m a Ryu player, and there are things in EVERY match up which I need to look out for because they can fuck me up. I’ve gone to socal casuals for the past 8 weeks, and all I’ve learned is that no matter how good Ryu is, unless you know EVERY match up and OUTPLAY your opponent, you’re not going to win.
Ryu is 5/5 against almost every character in the game and at MOST a 6-4. If you really want to nerf somebody like that, then I don’t know what to tell you. You’re never going to be happy with Game balance.
I’m no Miss Cleo, but I’d tend to agree. Some random online player gets beat by a Ryu cause he doesn’t know how to play footsies and ends up eating a few too many uppercuts, and he comes in here crying for nerfs. Ryu is one of the, if not the most balanced character in the game. And guess what? He takes skill. How many Ryu’s did you see dominating at Seasons’ Beatings 4 this past weekend? I’ll give you a hint: it’s a prime number, and it comes before 2. If Ryu was so overpowered, you’d see a bunch of randoms doing well with him. Nobody in SF4 is overpowered, not even Sagat. If they make a few tweaks to the game, SSF4 should be near perfect.
In other words “keep my character top tier please, but make everyone else less shitty”? I don’t know, the post was logical and much better than most in this thread, but I sort of lost sympathy for you at that point.
Just take out that retarded SRK trade to Ultra and I’m happy. I don’t know what fixes he needs 'cause I stay away from that generic fucker like the plague but as far as nerfing goes he doesn’t need much, but definitely something (unless buffs of other characters bring them substantially closer to his level).
Actually I’m going to agree with those that say that Ryu is perfectly balanced. His SF4 incarnation is an example to the rest of the cast. However, there is one thing I’d like changed, and that would be part of the general trend of SF4 - the removal of one frame links and his SRK motion. I’m a scrub - I mash down-forward like the worst of them - and I suspect that if I had to actually do the SRK motion (which is easy on the keyboard) I’d probably improve as a player. (I’m personally for a shortcut of forward down down.)
You either didn’t read, or didn’t understand a damn thing I said, and if you’re stupid enough to stop reading at that point then why are you even on a message board trying to argue. The whole fucking point of my post is to shy away from that mentality that “Oh, my character is top tier, yadda yadda yadda, everybody else in the cast should bend to my characters will”.
Frankly, Ryu can be mid tier for all I care. If I lose all my 6-4 match ups then so be it. He was High Mid in ST, and high Mid in 3S, so why not here. But the point of the matter is that he’s a PERFECTLY BALANCED CHARACTER. In a Tier list, he goes EVEN with almost everyone. Which means almost every character in the game(scratch that)… EVERY character in the game has tools to use against him. You can’t just mash shoryuken and Win. You have to play strategically, and you have to outplay your opponent.
You’re God damn right I’m a Ryu player, but fuck it, if you want the truth, I also play Gouken(who goes 4-6 with the bastard), and Rose, who ALSO goes 4-6 with him. And regardless, I still think you need to BUFF those two characters as opposed to NERF the character in the game who’s most balanced with the rest of the cast.
It’s fucking ridiculous that just because I’m a fucking Ryu player, a well thought out argument gets thrown aside. When I type something logical out, take it for what it is. If they do what I’m saying, the tiers will change and Ryu will most likely not be top Tier, and I don’t give a fuck. If he’s like he is now, and stays even with everyone else, I’ll be happy.
But don’t put words in my mouth when you don’t even understand the context of my post.
Wow, you’re angry as fuck. Anyways, this is where he should be on the tiers. It only bothers me that he’s an introductory character, while simultaneously being top tier. Intro characters should be mid tier.
I say intro characters should be able to introduce new characters to most aspects of the game and reflect the skill of the player using them. I think Ryu in SF4 does that perfectly.
It’s not like this is BlazBlue or something. Using Ryu effectively isn’t substantially easier than using anyone else with good tools.
How do you define that anyway? He’s not a charge character? Neither is the majority of the cast. He has a fireball? So does Sakura/Gouken/Rose/Guile/Sagat etc. He’s the main character of the series? So what?
An intro character is specifically created for the purpose of helping new players get used to the game. Most fighting games have these types of characters, it’s just good game design from a business stand point. I thought this was common knowledge?
You must be sorely mistaken: Blanka is that character. Why the hell would you think Ryu is an introductory character? He requires a pretty deep understanding of zoning, wake-up pressure, footsies, and mind-games in order to play effectively.
Blanka’s clearly the introductory character of SF, he always has been, how didn’t you know this?
Ryu, Ken, Balrog (possibly, he’s easy I know that at least), and maybe Blanka are introductory characters. Ryu’s footsies are pretty basic, zoning is very linear for Ryu compared to other characters, everyone needs to know how to apply wake up pressure Ryu has a very basic wake up game, mind-games are incredibly basic with Ryu as well. Everything you listed is need for pretty much every character except Ryu has very basic requirements. Add all that + easy execution + brain dead easy ultra set ups + not much scaling on his ultra + Plus an even easier to land super = pain in the ass character.
the EX one can bounce the opponent off the wall and ryu can juggle with Ultra, to give bitches something new to whine about