Ryu changes in SSFIV thread

[ShadowOS]

Who doesn’t lose to Ryu a lot?

80% of my matches are against him, and he?s one of the best characters in the game. Probably the best because so many Sagat players don?t know what they?re doing anyway. Most Ryu players are actually good.

Well, no, actually. Believe it or not, to use Sagat effectively you actually require a sense of timing. I’m not talking about his retreating j.hp or s.hk/TS zoning. I mean actual combos and frames trapping. What happens if Sagat fucks up? You get a pretty big window of opportunity to punish. I don’t like Sagat’s gross strength, but I can respect the character and the players moreso because I know what they’re doing is fairly difficult.

Ryu on the other hand requires very little timing to do any of his bnb, most of which will lead into an ultra. Mostly everything he does is safe or incredibly hard to punish. If Ryu fucks up? You’re risking getting counter-hit into one of his braindead combos. You have to react FAST. Whenever I see Ryu perform a combo, I know there is very little chance of him screwing up at all.

Ryu is the poster boy for SF4, which is why we see so much of him online. If his tier were to change for the worst, we’d likely still see a lot of him. Not as much, but a lot.

Really when I think about it, the only truly stupid thing Sagat has is f.rh>ultra from traded dp. If that alone were tweaked so it wasn’t as beneficial (or trades didn’t happen), Sagat would be a lot easier to handle. Ryu has a lot dumber things imo.

[SSblanka]

give him Joudan Sokutou Geri (sidekick in SF3). EX version sends them bouncing at the wall so i can EX sidekick>ultra.

[Duck_Strong]

God, so many dumshits actually agreeing with the original poster. sigh

Then again, I guess the whole point was to see how many of you morons would come out of the woodwork.

Do us all a favor and shut the fuck up if a capcom rep genuinely comes to these boards for input on changes to ssf4.

[gen]

make it so there is no trade on SRK,
remove that stupid ex tatsu glitch.
Add a fake fireball, to deal with Ryu’s lack of a constant pressure tool, done.
Leave everything else, well alone.

this is exactly what he needs, especially thetatsu glitch removed and the FAKE fireball!!!

[Mr_List]

donkey kick or die!
go for broke.

[DHEvil]

What the FUCK does Ryu need a fake fireball for?!

[System_1]

What the FUCK does Ryu need a fake fireball for?!

Perhaps so they can make more of his other moves punishable

[DHEvil]

Nice joke.

[Xx_IR3AP3R_xX]

Some people seem to think he’s fine the way he is. Some say he should get maybe one new move or tweak and some hate his guts to where they want him out of the game. It’s all preference, really.

IMO, if other characters were tweaked/buffed/arranged/whatever to where they could be used in high level play ALL the time and be efficient, I think a lot of people would drop their complaints about Ryu and start figuring out ways to beat player’s Ryu strategies, etc.

I’ll use Rose as an example. Rose is probably the least used character, imo. Even Dan gets more use than her (mainly for humiliation tactics). Let’s say that said Ryu is across the screen, zoning you with fireballs.

Any player can just jump over or focus absorb those fireballs, but Rose has another tool that most players wouldn’t really think about: her Soul Reflect. The timing for it is pretty strict, the scarf has to be deployed early to reflect it (or in LP’s case, absorb it.) if you time it a tad later, you’ll still get hit by the projectile.

Another odd case is Soul Throw. It’s treated as a command-throw (if I’m not mistaken, as you can’t use a quick get-up [or whatever the term is for it, I’m having a brain fart atm]). Some air normals, though, will hit Rose in midair and stop her jump from Soul Throw.

Also, Soul Spark and Soul Spiral, notice the huge differences in startup time from the light versions?

If these moves (either just one or two of them) were tweaked to where the timing was less strict on SReflect or where SThrow still grabbed people (possibly using invincibility frames to still grab characters using normals) or where SSpark/SSpiral has less startup, Rose would be a solid Ryu counter-pick or even a solid character in her own right.

I honestly think that other characters have gotten the shaft. But that’s just one example or way to help get around the whole “fuck ryu/sagat” mentality.

lets get something straight. im not bashing ryu in any way but he has plenty of tools at his disposal already. asking for more just confuses the hell out of me. and personally, i dnot have any interest in using rose

[Xx_IR3AP3R_xX]

Well, no, actually. Believe it or not, to use Sagat effectively you actually require a sense of timing. I’m not talking about his retreating j.hp or s.hk/TS zoning. I mean actual combos and frames trapping. What happens if Sagat fucks up? You get a pretty big window of opportunity to punish. I don’t like Sagat’s gross strength, but I can respect the character and the players moreso because I know what they’re doing is fairly difficult.

Ryu on the other hand requires very little timing to do any of his bnb, most of which will lead into an ultra. Mostly everything he does is safe or incredibly hard to punish. If Ryu fucks up? You’re risking getting counter-hit into one of his braindead combos. You have to react FAST. Whenever I see Ryu perform a combo, I know there is very little chance of him screwing up at all.

Ryu is the poster boy for SF4, which is why we see so much of him online. If his tier were to change for the worst, we’d likely still see a lot of him. Not as much, but a lot.

Really when I think about it, the only truly stupid thing Sagat has is f.rh>ultra from traded dp. If that alone were tweaked so it wasn’t as beneficial (or trades didn’t happen), Sagat would be a lot easier to handle. Ryu has a lot dumber things imo.

well i agree with that. but everyone uses ryu in a different way. what i dont understand is why people want ryu to have more tools when he’s already one of the top 5 characters in the game, for christ’s sake!

[RaveMachine]

lets get something straight. im not bashing ryu in any way but he has plenty of tools at his disposal already. asking for more just confuses the hell out of me. and personally, i dnot have any interest in using rose

That was just an example. I’m not trying to say ‘use rose’ or telling you to use ‘x’ character.

I’m saying that many other characters could be much better and people would complain about top tier characters less.

[Digital_Warlord]

donkey kick or die!
go for broke.

YES! We all want the donkey kick!!! If he gets this in the next version of the game then it will complete him as Ryu, with that he would be fun as hell to play, even though he already is.

[Lvangundy]

That was Orchid’s finishing move in Killer Instrinct.

I think Sagat should be able to link 3 forward fierce kicks,boxer should take off half life with one punch, chun-li’s ultra should have her get naked and the other player dies instantly,

[supermarioxxl]

I am a long time player and also used to main Ryu…
I know that people don’t want to hear anything about him getting anything that would improve his game, but I would love to personally see his srk get its invincibility on the way up. Trading blows, when trying to catch someone in the air who is doing a air normal is crap… Maybe to counter the added effectiveness decrease the damage of the dp, don’t allow ultra without fadc from this, or something. This is the only thing that I would like to see done.

[Heavyarms2050]

the only nerf he needs is his shoryuken. It shouldn’t be as fast as Ken’s

[Digital_Warlord]

That was Orchid’s finishing move in Killer Instrinct.

She didnt get completely naked, she only showed her milk jugs.:lovin:

the only nerf he needs is his shoryuken. It shouldn’t be as fast as Ken’s

Why shouldn’t it be as fast as Ken’s??? Did Ken train harder or something?? Last time I checked Ryu spends all day training to become the “perfect warrior” which should result in him being exaclty how he is, nearly perfect…Ken has a wife, a kid on the way, so he needs a Job to put food on the table…he cant train like Ryu but Ken is still good as F*** imo.

[Dannkk]

Well, no, actually. Believe it or not, to use Sagat effectively you actually require a sense of timing. I’m not talking about his retreating j.hp or s.hk/TS zoning. I mean actual combos and frames trapping. What happens if Sagat fucks up? You get a pretty big window of opportunity to punish. I don’t like Sagat’s gross strength, but I can respect the character and the players moreso because I know what they’re doing is fairly difficult.

Ryu on the other hand requires very little timing to do any of his bnb, most of which will lead into an ultra. Mostly everything he does is safe or incredibly hard to punish. If Ryu fucks up? You’re risking getting counter-hit into one of his braindead combos. You have to react FAST. Whenever I see Ryu perform a combo, I know there is very little chance of him screwing up at all.

Ryu is the poster boy for SF4, which is why we see so much of him online. If his tier were to change for the worst, we’d likely still see a lot of him. Not as much, but a lot.

Really when I think about it, the only truly stupid thing Sagat has is f.rh>ultra from traded dp. If that alone were tweaked so it wasn’t as beneficial (or trades didn’t happen), Sagat would be a lot easier to handle. Ryu has a lot dumber things imo.

What Ryu are you playing? None of his specials are safe. They all can be punished from any distance they can hit from. Good Ryu’s are also using a lot of one frame links now, too. His biggest dmg combos come off of c.mp and f+hp…not very easy stuff to link off of. Only thing I see that makes ryu easier is chainable jabs/shorts.

[Duck_Strong]

I am a long time player and also used to main Ryu…
I know that people don’t want to hear anything about him getting anything that would improve his game, but I would love to personally see his srk get its invincibility on the way up. Trading blows, when trying to catch someone in the air is crap… Maybe to counter the added effectiveness decrease the damage of the dp, or something. This is the only thing that I would like to see done.

Trading with dp is a good thing in this pos game.

For my money, no god damn invincinble anti-air should act as a launcher. I mean fuck, he can combo ex hadoken off the god damn thing. He’s NEVER been able to combo a non super consistently off it in any game, not even the marvel games and there’s a reason for that.

Off the top of my had:

-Contrary to most moves, hurricane has retarded blockstun leaving a free guessing game. If you block 1 hit, you have to block at least 2 for mad chip damage. EX is completely safe, does 200 damage and combos very easily into ultra. Crossup hurricane is amazing and he can runaway all day with the roundhouse one, not that he needs to, but there are alot of pussies playing Ryu.

Fucking dumb

-some of the best pokes in the game. Can combo hadoken nearly from the tip of crouch forward (couldn’t even do that in ST). His links are dead simple for a character that doesn’t even need them to begin with. 3 frame close strong and forward? wtf? :rolleyes:

Fucking dumb

-Best dp in the game bar none. Ridiculous 3 frame startup and enormous range (bigger than ken’s) to punish all sorts of shit that he has no business punishing for free. I mean what the hell? You shouldn’t be able to jab 4 times then LINK the fucking thing into ultra.

Oh and you get frame advantage from a blocked fadc dp. (Ono, if you’re listening, take out fadc from blocked moves. If you dedicate yourself to a move and it doesn’t connect you shouldn’t get a get out of jail free card.)

All this is compounded by the stupid ass reversal window and easy motions. Now any retard can pick a hole in your block strings without even realizing how he hit you. Ironically ryu doesn’t have this problem because he’s one of the few in the game with decent poke strings.:looney:

And everyone’s favorite, the trade dp into ultra.

Really fucking dumb

-No one really mentions this, but his super is also disgustingly good. Fastest in the game next to Chun’s. Even more comboable than his ultra. You can link the stupid thing from a ground jab dp from anywhere on screen then tack on the ultra for a bit of extra damage.

-Crazy jump roundhouse. Guess this is self explanatory, but not many ground normals beat this thing clean.

I honestly can’t think of even 1 weakness he has in this game. And some of you dipshits want to give him more tools? Christ I give up.

[qOcOp]

improve jab to be like balrog’s.

s.hk needs to be better. trades too much.

cr. hp aa trades too much, make it better.

improve speed on ultra by 2 frames

[System_1]

I honestly can’t think of even 1 weakness he has in this game.

Amen, your entire post was pretty spot on. The only defense anyone ever has for this is that they bring up sagat, and sagat is a nerf magnet for the next game.