Ryu needs…Nothing!!!
Chun Li needs to time her Ultra after the double j.hp hits…
with Cammy its pretty straight forward into ultra after the Cannon Spike FADC part… that only applies to mid screen…
- we dont get full ultra damage :nono:
- its required to time the ultra if your opponent is @ the corner and when it lands, we get even less hits out of it…
- timing ultra is also required if cammys back to the corner
even tho cannon spike trade leaves the opponent in a juggle state where just like ryu cammy can ultra/super… her cannon spike is a TRUE anti-air and it rarely trades… (lk version MAY trade for deep jump in attacks)… and even if it deos trade… u still need to abide by the tricky timing to land ultra otherwise you end up with 2 hits or completely miss!!! :nono:
unlike ryus AUTO-HOMING Ultra that just lands FULLY regardless of height or how fast your opponent falls…
nerf ryu i dont care at this point 
or give cammy cs similar ridiculous trade into auto-homing ultra
I think the problem is that your character’s ultra hits low. If it hit horizontally then it wouldn’t be a problem. Ask capcom to change the hit box on cammy’s ultra.
how about he keeps his juggles 4 trade ultra but just make it do shit damage,almost so bad that its not worth doing in some cases like focus demon?
That’s what Ultra 2 is for. It should do shit damage on juggles.
Metsu Hadoken is specifically for the purpose of landing it on a juggle. It’s a shitty Ultra otherwise.
Metsu Hadoken can also be a wakeup ultra in many situations, can go through fireballs, and can punish pretty well, or after a focus attack
After a focus attack? You might as well just go with Ultra 2 for that, same can possibly go for punishing some stuff.
It’s a range ultra, the ultra itself is already weak, the reason its still good is because of its ability to combo and juggle which opens up many setups, weakening its juggle ability and damage in a juggle would just make it shit.
Metsu Hadoken is a terrible wake up option against most of the cast. If you try to Metsu somebody on wake up, you could get reversal Ultra depending on the character or your opponent could use a move with invincibility to escape and punish you unless you’re almost full screen away. It’s a ok option as long as you do your homework so that you know which opponents can escape it with Ultra, EX bars, both, or can’t at all.
And although it could be used to counter fireballs, the window for a reversal is too small to rely on it. Only a small handful of players could actually scare you into not throwing your fireball at mid range. Pretty much Metsu Hadoken is good because it has a lot of set ups and does full damage(minus damage scaling of course) but it’s pretty much useless outside of that.
I don’t meant to sound like a jerk but what else do you want from an Ultra? That sounds pretty damned good to me.
There’s nothing else you’d want from the ultra but people are suggesting to take that way, the only thing that makes the ultra good to begin with.
Lol…i’m going to see if i have room to sig this
He obviously meant its useless outside of combos which is partially true, you can use it for fireball trap, you throw the ultra when they jump over the hadoken at far/mid range.
I mean that it’s not all that great for other purposes like anti-air, shutting down fireballs, or even as chip damage because it has such slow start up. The other guy was saying it could be used for some of those things and I’m trying to argue his point saying it’s not, at least not reliably. That was the point I was arguing so I don’t see what was funny or strange about it.
It can be found funny because you’re acting like its so useless / unreliable in all these situations, when in reality no Ryu player could care less because he has so many other ways to link it.
The fact is, Ryu can use his ultra as an anti-air and Ryu can use his ultra to counter fireballs. Who cares if it takes quick reactions and close range? Its still possible and it will happen. Just watch Daigo vs. Poongko at the world tournament. Thats the point.
Urban: Hey, Ryu. dude, could i be cool like you someday?
Ryu: SHORE-YU-CAN!!!
Maybe not reliably, no, but you have to understand how even with the fact that it does these things situationally on top of the fact that it’s so easy to land that makes it an order of magnitude better than the Ultras of the rest of the cast so you can see how complaining about it being “not that useful” is like Warren Buffet complaining he doesn’t have as much money as the Bill Gates.
If Ryu’s Ultra had all the features you’re complaining it doesn’t have then it would be the best Ultra in the game and frankly would make Ryu S-tier, borderline OP and in need of a much more serious nerf.
I’m sure it’s not your intention but you have to get a little perspective here guys.
Point is, that even though is can and will be used to counter fireballs and other attacks, that function is not useful enough to stand on its own as Metsu Hadoken’s only way to land. Countering fireballs is secondary. The ability to juggle full Ultra off SRK > FADC is the single most important thing that makes Ryu’s Ultra viable.
This started on a discussion about taking Ultra 1’s juggle capability off SRK away (OK), or making it do shit damage on juggle (MixupMaster). If that were to happen, Ryu’s Ultra 1 would suck, because it is bad at all the other potential uses of it. It’s a horrible Anti-Air, it’s a weak punish, it’s bad at countering fireballs, it doesn’t do much chip. And it doesn’t have any other special properties that give it another use, or help it land.
Ryu’s Ultra is great at one thing only, and that one thing makes it great. That thing is juggle capability.
We’re not even suggesting to even buff his ultra or add features to his ultra, fact is the main reason his ultra is good is the ability to combo with it (there is only ONE reliable use for it - combos/juggles, its just that there are many ways to go about comboing/juggling it), people are suggesting to take away its only real redeeming use or make it ineffective. Instead of asking to make his ultra less comboable, they should be looking at other peoples ultras and providing them with ways of comboing their own ultras.
you’ll get no disagreement from me. I agree it’s less of an issue of nerfing ryu than it is of buffing everyone else. It just strikes me as a foolish and somewhat comical comment to make in the grand scheme of things.
Chun li is looking to have a similar ultra to ryus ultra 1, her new ultra 2 looks to be her “combo” ultra, that is a change that is warranted, even dan now has a combo ultra, I’m liking what I see so far although this will probably result in people just always picking the combo ultra over the other ultra.