I’m happy that Rose didn’t get nerfed.
But I’d much rather have seen “No changes since Alpha” because I’m used to it, because like, I view capcom’s balancing skills less. atleast I know if they put no changes, I could give them the botd and like think their lazy and no one played Rose. >>
anton you only dont want her becoming good is because your worried tier whores will play her.
why the hell do you people expect this ver2012 to be christmas all over ? they just want to rebalance the game for god’s sake, it’s obvious they won’t re-invent mid-tier characters. Rose is sf4 mid-tier, always have been, always will be. she doesn’t need bazillions upgrades.
you’re a fucking idiot.
Actually, even when Rose was top tier, she was one of the least played characters.
So even if Rose was top tier, no one would play her.
I don’t want her to be top tier cuz I don’t want to be labeled a tier whore, is more like it.
WTF!!
JURI : [close MP]: Startup changed from 5F->3F, making it easier to connect combos up close.
Well we could have 3 f for Rose as well then !!!
I read it like that and came here immediately to express my joy that Rose got a true; albeit rather slow and low-reach, reversal. Still, it would be one. Guess the good thing would be the fact that she is safe after reversal. And maybe unthrowable.
But that discussion is not needed as it is not so. Projectile invulnarability. Okay, they make her even more anti-fireball. But she already was, right? It will help in some areas where we are not looking yet, like against characters that use meatie fireballs for pressure setups (think Guile, Akuma), and against chars that use fireballs in their blokcstrings (Ryu). But it won’t help one bit against non-fireball chars and chars that have weird fireballs like Cody/Ibuki
maybe we can ex reflect -> hit meaty burn kicks now? haha.
You mean in Alpha2 right ?
alpha1 -> low
alpha2 -> top
alpha3 -> low
sf4 -> low
ssf4 -> mid
ssf4ae-> low
Because if you think she was top in super, we haven’t got the same definition of ‘top’ ( 1/3 of the cast better is not ‘top’ for me)
^ I’m sorry, no one answered this. Was this the “glitch” they were talking about?
Also they should of undid the hurtbox and hitbox nerfs. Those were unwarranted and I actually notice a difference (unlike Dictator’s crouch light kick hurtbox nerf, I only get counterhitted or stuff if I mash crouch tech)
I’ll still use Rose though, I can’t and will not drop her. She’s still good, but it will be hard for her.
Holy FUCK what a horrible thing to wake up to.
I’m sure I’ll still main Rose, but god damn this is such a slap in the face. What in the world made them think that EX reflect was a suitable buff over her U!, EX Spiral, cr.mp, sweep, soul spark, or basically everything else? What idiot of a Rose player went up to them and was like “Uhhh yeah thanks for the buffs. Rose is perfectly fine but she has problems with EX fireballs!!! Please do something!!!”? Why are characters that were better than her in AE getting suitable buffs and Rose is getting these “Well we teeeeechnically buffed her! At least we didn’t nerf her!” buffs? I don’t think I’ve ever said this and meant it, but fuck you Capcom.
I do know a few Japanese Rose players, though. I can see if they plan on going to a loketest and beg them to complain their heads off. Though one of them ONLY wanted them to change Rose’s U2 motion to qcb qcb KKK so we wouldn’t waste meter if we messed up the execution. I’m sure he’s jumping for joy right now. 
people dont wanna footsie man, they just wanna dive kick and vortex their way into the easy life. im going back to tekken lol.
I really dont think it matters at this point. Capcom has Rose right where they want her and that’s C tier.
If 2012 is the last version of SF4, competitively, Rose is done for :(.
I think it’s really annoying that some people act as though we are salty. When in reality not a single Rose player I know it complaining about her U2, or wants it back.
Are you already salty when you want some decent buffs? Let’s review on what we got so far, and if they are really buffs:
Hardly a buff, for one, I have no trouble building meter, and correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t they nerf her meter building (from absorbing perhaps) from Super in the first place?
Again, this is just giving us back ‘some’ of what she already had in Super. It’s not a buff, it’s somewhat removing a nerf.
Again, not a buff, just changed back, not even completely to what it was apparently.
This one seems like the only real buff she got, so I will not complain about this one.
Fixing a glitch does not a buff make.
It’s a buff, yes, but who uses EX Reflect anyway, except when you are full screen away. I will reserve some judgment over this since it might make the move more useful.
Again, just a glitch that is fixed, it’s not even a buff.
spark building meter: ( doing the spark, not damaging)
super: 30
ae: 20
2012: 30
Tell them to send what I wrote on capcom-unity to Capcom lol.
But yeah seeing how the buffs got, Capcom decided to twist our suggestions
Funny thing is that I re-tweeted the link from capcom-unity to seth and ono. haha maybe that wasn’t a good idea XD but honestly I could careless seeing how the situation is right now.
We still don’t know how the properties of Soul Satellites changed, we saw two games on the beta testing where both players backdashed away from her when she activated on wake up :/.
Anything reverted back to a state where it was actually good for doing what it did is a buff AKA Soul Piede.
I think we’re going to get 1 or 2 more buffs. 1 being her sweep back, and something else.
I cannot find a thing that will be more useless.
BTW, since people are being salty about cr strong and st. forward, I just tested yesterday. Same ranges in both games, AE, and Super, so no nerfs happened. Only nerf really was Soul Satellite and super trap and meter building.
Vega has always been my main, even with his mediocre to useless buffs he still will be. I play Rose almost as much as Vega so she will be still be my main Alternate.
will probably derp around with Guy more considering he’s had nothing but buffs since super
wtf more buffs for Rose ? I’m expecting:
No additional changes since the “SSFIV AE Ver.2012 Beta” location test.
I have been having fun with Oni and Cody lately…we’ll see how it turns out