Rose do well against shoto, coz their zoning is limited since u absorb their fireballs. Akuma is hard though coz of his lot of mixup :. U need to poke em, do some mindgame and the game is your.
Not that I entirely agree with that, but I had to edit it to read better.
I think Rose does better against Ryu than Cammy, but it’s not a match in your favor. Probably around 4.5/5.5 in his favor…probably being generous there, he’s close to top. At low level play, depending on how badly they want to fireball and if they don’t realize you’re gaining meter and powering up your next projectile, you can absorb all day. If they get smart to that (still at low level), just bait uppercuts. If they get smart to that also, stand in front of them and do nothing. They’ll jump at you, you can hit them out of the air.
Once they’re afraid to randomly uppercut, you can run slide > throw more. That’s the only even somewhat abusable Rose online trick. Sometimes you can do string > drill and they’ll just stop blocking and get counterhit by the drill. Still assuming you’re playing bad people here.
I’ve thought about playing more Cammy myself, if she’s better in the Boxer/Dictator fights which is where I have more trouble. Dunno anything about those matches though really.
I think the “design” for Rose in SF4 was to be a shoto killer. Between her fireball reflect, her fireball absorb (to build super really fast, cause she NEEDS meter to be effective)…and her soul throw…it was a neat concept.
However, this is how I think most Rose matches go against a skilled shoto: While you can keep them out, you can really fuck with their normal game. Reflect fireballs, soul throw any attempts to get over your fireballs, and poke smartly from range with her excellent sweep and forward roundhouse.
But once they get in on you, she can’t do SHIT against a strong rushdown. She has no “get off me” move that is realible, her neutral jump sucks really bad, and while her throw is awesome, its just not enough to keep a good rushdown at bay.
If you are good enough to keep them out, she PWNS shotos. Once they get in, you will have to really have a tight footsie and soul spark cancel mixup game in order to hurt them bad enough to win matches.
One thing I try to do is build meter like crazy by using her Absorb Fireball “reflect” until I have super. Once she has super, you have to respect the hell out of her, because one low forward = low forward, SS hit confirm -> super and that shit hurts.
Once she gets ultra, her ultra might be the best anti air ultra in the game and it does good damage, but any good player is simply not going to jump in on you when you have ultra, even if you put a lot of soul spark pressure on them…so it forces you to be really patient and either bait a whiff, or look for a poke so you can LV2 focus dash out -> Ultra.
I love rose so much, but she is going to be just as big of an uphill battle in most matchups as Cammy, probably more so.
If you want a good compliment to Cammy, I highly recommend Chun…but don’t ignore Rose…try her for a week and see what YOU think about using her.
I would love to main Chun but for whatever reason, my cognitive abilities limit me from playing charge characters effectively lol I can’t seem to get a grasp on them. It’s probably from playing only Cammy since SSF2 came out and I have a real problem switching from the roll style over to the charge style.
If you’re looking for a counter to Boxer and Dic, Cammy is definitely not your answer haha… Boxer is one of her worst match ups (probably 2nd worst after Honda) and she’s about 4/6 with Dic. The only real advantages she has in this game are over Akuma (she’s actually his worst match-up…most likely because her drill goes under his air fb), Dan (but who doesn’t?) and Sakura.
Yeah, in that case if charge characters are out…I guess I would suggest you try to give Seth or Akuma a shot.
Akuma is flat out the best character in the game. He has a flawless offense, and a flawless defense. His low vitality is still enough that you can make a few mistakes, and he has mixups for DAYS off his Demon Flip. And I haven’t even mentioned his kara demon setups or his NUMEROUS resets.
I know people may whine about Sagat, but fuck that, tier lists in Japan have Akuma at #1 for a while now and that simply is not going to change. He is the most versatile character in SF4 by FAR.
Also dude…why is your rep so fucking red??? If you are trying to get red rep, cool…but if you want that shit fixed, I can hook you up.
Let me know.
LOL no I wasn’t exactly gunning for red rep, I apparently have just rubbed some people the wrong way, mostly in the General Discussion forums…I learned to just stay my ass out of there and stick to the SF4 and HDR forums where I belong lol
Well, I just took off two red bars in one shot. That should help a bit.
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Hey thanks man, much appreciated! 
Parabellum - U play Rose now? If you play Aegis ur in for a tough time. He knows the shenanigains by now lol
Hey man, long time its been! Haven’t seen or talked to you since MWC.
Yeah, I have actually played rose since the beginning, but only casually…I’m fucking awful at FADCing out of specials (thank god Chun doesn’t really need to) so my Rose game is always going to be super scrubby until I get that down. My brain is a LOT faster than my fingers.
Your rose is the greatest, seriously, it blew my freaking mind watching you play at MWC.
When you gonna come over to C/U for game night? We got Mario (Riot Guard) considering a trip down to hang with us too.
And yeah, freaking Mike has all my shenanigans down cold too…his bison is fucking solid as a block of steel. James too man…playing with those cats on the regular is leveling me up fast as hell.
I dunno when I could make it down, but I havent touched SF4 since MWC lol. I never liked the game but I might dust it off to practice for SB so Keits doesn’t get mad a me!
I so shoulda had at least top 8 at MWC but I played the two I lost MAD sloppy, oh well. 6 of the top 8 got RAPED at the hotel though afterwards so I was kool with that haha.
Hell yes, revenge in casuals is what its all about!!!
((no not really, but that shit feels amazing…my friend Pete knocked me out of Crossed Fists but I stepped up and took a set from him in casuals just a few nights later with the same characters for both of us…that felt really good)).
Anyway man, if you ever want to stop by and get in a good session…just holler!!!
Pretty new Rose player here – what’s the best “punish” combo after say a blocked/whiffed SRK?
close hk spiral. U need to dash in to get at the proper distance though.
parabellum im gonna add u to my friends list on XBL… would love to see how a good Rose is played.
Was this combo mentioned yet?
Corner only-
Jumping HK–>St. HK–>HCF+2PxxLvl. 2 Focus–>Ultra
Does around 450-500 damage IIRC
yup it was mentionned.
heres some cool combos that magnetomanic and javits did after focus attacks. rose’s are in there just take a look. this is good for people who didn’t know about these already.
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How do I do the fifth trial? I can’t FADC into ultra. With some of the shotos you can do QCFx2 to both get the dash out and the input for the ultra as well, but in this case the ultra still never hits. This has to be one of the hardest FADCs in the game.
I’ve seen people get this on youtube by FADCing it but I got it by Focusing until I saw Rose flash white for the level 2 focus crumple and then I mashed out the ultra and it worked. I think they intentionally want you to FADC but you don’t have to dash.