Chris spracklin (one of the best TTT players without leaving his house)… Bill was beastly too back in the day… i would also have to agree with robin about Jinmaster
This man speaks the truth. Sprack is still beastly whenever he actually trys to play. He’s since been domesticated, and plays MVC2 (and is 34 if they haven’t wiped the leader boards) and C.O.D. on PSN pretty much all day.
like running away in Tekken…
Sorry I didn’t show up yesterday. It was one thing after another that needed to get done before I left anywhere. Then i started playing Bordercrack, and I couldn’t stop.
I’m going to ruin your bruce next time we play. Haha.
Jinmaster got good and stole everything he knew from guys in Detroit, which had a very strong arcade scene in TTT, from there his talent was aided by Bill and traveling in T5 with a character so broken they str8 up took moves away from her in the subsequent updates of the game (which also marked JM’s fall)…not a coincidence.
saying that ATL and TX have never been on the same level with NYC and SoCal in Tekken is like saying garbonzo beans and snowpeas are totally different.
also, define “pretty good”, because while you’re saying the comp from ATL and TX can’t compete with SoCal and NYC, you’re shooting your own argument in the foot by being wrong about that to begin with. example…Final Round 2 years ago, Tekken was won by Clint from ATL…who rarely travels anymore, but had done so in previous Tekken games with much success. in fact, he was playing casuals in my hotel room the day of the event trying to decide what character to beast NYC with…it was Anna. i reference the tourney 2 years ago, because all of NY’s best comp and some of Cali’s was there, and T6 hadn’t hit arcades yet, so the game was still relevant and widely played.
finally, i’m not gonna try to defend that comment about SF and Tekken, because you obviously know nothing about high lvl Tekken play, and i know nothing about high level SF. however, i will leave with one question…what’s worse…a reversal mixup, or being forced to block a 10 frame low/break DJ’s laser grab after getting jailed?
p.s. not trying to cause a divide, just trying to clear up any confusion.
Everyone, a new baby girl at 9:06 this morning! :tup:
Firstly: I meant to say ATL and TX were better at Tekken than So Cal and NYC, despite having relatively terrible SF scenes and not a strong arcade scene.
JOP and Crow are all the examples I need. Sure, Arario and Bronson are both SoCal, but they’ve never dominated like SoCal/NYC SF does.
You can’t say “oh jinmaster is garbage and doesn’t count because X”, because he proves my point. His super quick rise and fall is why I consider Tekken to be a lower skill game. Justin becoming quasi elite in Tekken in like 2 months, whereas there are hardly any tekken players who have gotten elite in SF.
Let’s break it down here.
Tekken has 4 buttons to SF’s 6. However, Tekken has many more directional moves and multiple button moves. PUSH
Tekken is a high damage game: Rounds were changed to 3 of 5 to minimize the randomness. SF hasn’t been that high damage since ST. ADV SF.
Motions: Tekken has EWGF and Chain grabs, SF has supers, links, and 720s. SF’s are more essential to common play, ADV SF
Range: Tekken has two ranges, both characters are in range, or both are not. There is little half/full screen fighting. SF has the fireball and “getting in” ADV: SF
Meter Management: SF has it, Tekken does not. ADV SF
Tekken has Eddy. (side note, there was no SF comparison to scrub friendly Eddy until SF4 Zangief) ADV SF until 4.
Spacing or 2D vs 3D: Tekken really isn’t 3D in a game design sense, since there’s almost no vertical element to the game. Also, since you really can’t attack from behind your opponent either (i.e. a cross up) it’s more like 1.5D. ADV SF
Blocking and Mixups: Tekken has a couple things is its favor here
- “mid launchers hit crouch block” SF has only a couple of iterations where High/Low games are a huge factor in the game (3S comes to mind.)
-Tekken has no invincible “get out of jail free card” like safe supers or DP fadc.
-SF’s throws are much more dangerous, due to faster speed, harder techs, and untechables which balances the fact that blocking is easier and better.
-SF has Crossups
-Both games now have corner rape. Non wall tekkens, screen positioning meant nothing.
ADV -TEKKEN (wall based)
— However, I say this, trying to get Zangief off you without A DP is pretty much good game.
For further reading, go to Seth Killian’s 2D vs 3D dominator posts he wrote like 5 years ago.
Anyone wanna play some tekken/SF at my crib? Call me.
congrats.
and Robin, I stopped reading after the 1.5’D comment. just stop breh. your skirt is showing.
well that sucks, you missed the only part he gave to tekken…
:razzy:
they are both completely different…
in lieu of breaking this thing up, i’ve decided to just post my comments in bold underneath the text being commented on.
i only skimmed thru the bullshit anyway. I dont really have to to break down all the shit that’s wrong in that essay.
I been rockin with Tekken since i lived in Norfolk/Va Beach as a kid (757 Rep, 804 residing), I’m pretty sure I’ve been bodied in that and Soul calibur by the SOVA OG’s @ the old Aladdins Castle at Lynhaven, you live and you learn but as two different genres of games they both have their own entry level of difficulty.
too bad they have 14-man national tournaments
yup, theres no need to try and compare them and then reference a David Sirlin article. niggas dont care about what David Sirlin thinks. FOH.
And VF4: Evo is prob one of my favorite games EVER. I couldn’t rock with VF5 like I could 4. I think T6 is up there now though. too good.
Seth Killian. Not Sirlin.
I know tekken and SF are very different. Although I think 3S and Tekken are pretty similar in that up close hi/low play style w/ no fireballs.
I’m just saying it’s easier to play tekken. I can actually beat tekken players with my terrible nina despite not playing the game in years. I can’t jump over to GG or MvC2 and have a shot in hell.
Also, straight mashing w/ eddy or hwo is pretty decent until you get to fairly mid tier status. You can never mash in SF. Blocking wins every time.
Neither of em.
whats wrong with Seth Killian?
i guess my idea about mid tier status is a bit different…not trying to come off like an ass, just my opinion. Eddy/Hwo mashing sorta owned when i first started in TTT (when i FIRST started playing), but even then we learned to react and parry the lows even before we knew about juggling and shit. now, i have heard this (your) same comment from enough people to put some weight in it, so i’m not really gonna debate it.
idk, i’m of the opinion that people should try to play people on the same level as them if they’re casual, and seek out tougher comp if they’d like to try to be more than that in any game. i’ve kinda hung up my competative gloves, so to speak, but i do enjoy the competative atmosphere and the pseudo-chess match that happens in the tournaments i attend. i have friends who i enjoy playing with, and people i otherwise don’t hang out with outside of gaming that i still like to kick it with when i come around…so, that’s my reasoning.
personal note:
within the past year or so i’ve started to suffer the effects of arthritis after/during my times playing fighters on pad. i’ll admit that it was fairly easy to pick up playing stick for 2D games…so much so that i only play 2D on stick now…and that has enabled me to continue playing w/o ill effect, and even discover that i enjoy a lot of 2D fighters i had never played much. however, i’ve been a pad player in Tekken since i started…so, i doubt i’ll be able to keep up in the new era. to be honest, i hope we see more 2D fighters coming to consoles and getting big so that i might have a chance to play one that i feel as passionate about as i have been with Tekken over the years. SFIV diddn’t really get that response from me, but i wouldn’t mind picking up a copy of the revamped version when it hits. here’s hoping MvC2 and Super Turbo aren’t the only classics that see a facelift :tup:
That cool chief, I guess givin birth to newborn baby girls is hot shit nowadays.I’ll be fixin that in a number of years.
grats
I’ve been a pad scrub for years, but Tekken was the first game i actually loved using a stick in. You feel like you have way more movement options than you do on a pad. Just my personal exp.
Also: 3S HD Remix gogogo