Why are you all still talking about who will win? It’s Trump. He as virtually unlimited money to blow on his campaign, he’s in mainstream media, he’s white, a business owner, talks bad about illegals; ensuring the vote from people who still think illegals are whats ruining this country, and he has great hair.
Pack it up, close this thread.
Trump for 2016
changed? Get government out of school? Are you out of your fucking mind. We need government in school becuase there should be absolutely no choice in sending your kid to some Christian school that omits science becuase it doesn’t agree with that bullshit book. Secondly, higher education is a problem soley becasue adminstration ahs been abusing the system and increasing adminstrative costs.
professors hadn’t had a real raise in years, meanwhile presidents and high level admin gets bump all the time. It doesn’t help that you have predatory “colleges” (pepperdine, pheonix, private in genera) preying on GI and poor students to go to their non accredited schools. This isn’t a government problme, this is a managerial problem.
The issue with basic schooling in genera is that, states do not allocate funds and rely soley on federal funding. If the US fed didn’t give them money any more things will go to shit and that means only people making more than 150+k will be sending kids to school. Those that do stay will be comparable to the shitty schools that exist in 3rd world countries out in the rural areas where education stops at the 5th grade.
It also doesn’t help that the teachers union is one of the most selfish and idiotic institution that prevents progress. They demand unearned unjustifiable and unsutainable pensions and hold districts at hostage. Let alone they practice the Dance of the Lemons
It needs to be removed.
Government as you know it isn’t the problem. The bigger problem is local and state government not being efficent with the money it recieves, and transfering way too much money around where you only see net gains for corprate intrests (football staduims, sports team, expensive unsutainable housing, etc)
And medicare is a pos program. It’s the second biggest hemoragge of lost money right behind corporate welfare. As it stands the American government is only subsidizing the health care for older retired folk wihile ignoring everybody else. All politicians know this and it’s why they never attack old people.
Half of our problems could be solved if you barred old people from voting. The other half if you remove money from politics.
There should be no choice? So if you happen to live in a place where schools suck then fuck you? Limited choice stifles growth and doesn’t allow for new ideas to go to the top. If what your were saying was true then the best schools in the nation would be public government run schools (they’re not)
The government subsidising higher education has a lot to do with it. If you make a choice to enter a non-accredited school, thats on you. Don’t make the taxpayer suffer for it.
The problem with basic school has almost nothing to do with funding and almost everything to do with how the schools themselves are run. Why is it so hard to fire a teacher. Why do they demand more money by virtue of being alive? Shouldn’t your quality of work determine your salary? Government doesn’t change so whats proven not to work will still remain because of people scared of change. I will admit america’s culture toward school also plays a factor in schooling but shitty federal k-12 education doesn’t help at all
The reson teachers unions are so powerful is because of government. You can’t force someone to do something they don’t want to, but teachers unions have legislators on their side, people that can force their will on you
So basically its a government problem
I agree here. The program just doesn’t work financially and keeping it around only moves us toward bankruptcy.
both problems are solved by limiting the powers of government.
Choice in what? Schools suck for a few reasons. Poor parents don’t have the time to slap the shit out of their kids for being the failures that they are. Schools that do not live next to high end areas get significantly less money because high end schools can rely on local taxes. Those that don’t rarely have money. State budgets never increase budgets for education. Teacher unions can and have practically gridlocked any real progress. None of that is due to government, none of that will be fixed by removing government.
There doesn’t need to be any new ideas in school, because school should only pre occupy themselves with teaching the Socratic method. Private education doesn’t even meet this criteria because private schools only care about prestige. You would be trading one set of problems for another. We know what’s wrong, it’s obvious what would fix it.
Private schools have always been an option, but that has and always been traditionally an option for the wealthy. Saying something as stupid as we need government out of schools, while ignoring the context and history as to why the current public education system was created, and why it’s in shambles today, is irresponsible and moronic.
The best schools in the world where government ran. WE had the best education system in the world, the CSU system was one of the best. Things went to shit not because government stepped in, governments role in education was practically unchanged until no child left behind, and Obezzy implemented an even stupider system. No child left behind and common core are the type of problems that shouldn’t even register to anybody that’s actually concerned with getting the education system to be what it was. The BEST
No it’s not. It’s predatory practices by private institution that are ruining things. And you’re over here actually trying to create more of these predatory institutions that won’t give a shit about education, but breed some bullshit sense of prestige, exclusivity, and profit margins.
Secondly, there was study done, where government looked at the benefits of JFK expansionist policy in higher level education during the 60’s. For every dollar spent on kids, there was a 5 dollar return when those kids started working. Not only did government intervention and funding create and establish some of the best schooling, there was a huge return of that money. There is no fucking burden here.
The burden on tax payers is predatory practices (illegal all of them by the way since no school should be making XX% of their money through federal funding, which they do). we don’t live in economy or society that can afford kids to not go get a degree anymore. I’m talking about getting jobs that fucking matter and pay, not those bullshit liberal art/social science degree’s or degree’s in some over saturated field like lawyer. Are there problems with the current system? Yes.
You could argue that the issue is over subsidation. But you could make a stronger argument against schools pushing a shady agenda that you need to go to a traditional school to get skills. People forget that money can go to job training offered by anything that calls itself a school.
ou can’t have a decent industrial job anymore. Those don’t exist. And even service based blue collar jobs (welding, mechanic, fabricator, construction) are extremely volatile and at the mercy of the economy. Shit jobs are the biggest burden on the tax payer. Allowing a population to aquire the skills to move up makes economies strongs. You are advocating for economical suicide and an even worse wealth gap.
Thirdly, before you rant about well the over saturation of degree’s have created an issue where you need a degree to do basic ass jobs. That isn’t a government problem. That’s a corprate problem, because they choose to assign a degree as some sort of extra qualifaction.
And don’t you find it odd, that the government started subsidizing higher education when things like free trade started taking off? The government is in no positon to not fund higher education because the private sector (thta shit you always stan for) has created the type of work economy we live in. The service economy. It would be a bigger burden on the tax payer if people started making less money because they couldn’t pay to get the skills to work in the few remaining fields that pay well.
Since 2008, the majority of jobs added by the great “private” sector have been shit tier reception type jobs. That means less money, and a bigger burden on the tax payer becuase the standard of living goes down and poverty becomes a real issue. not that it already is since about half of all americans live in that shit.
That’s not a federal or state problem. That’s a local problem regarding the union and the school district. Funding is an issue, because extra cirricular programs in low level poverty (mostly black and hispanic schools) have been wildly succesful and increased the productivity of a school
Secondly, how can you accurately measure the quality of a teachers work when he teaches in some shit poverty school where half the class is black and Mexican. How can you with a straight fucking face say that a teacher needs to be measured by the quality of his work when the kids themselves do not give a flying fuck. I went to the shittiest middle school in Long Beach. It was on the border between long beach, paramount, and compton.
Aren’t you black? You of all people should know the kind of shit black/hispanic students do while in school and their general attitude. Unless you went to some subpar middle school that sheltered you from the primary issues.
Also, quality of education is directly tied to funding. Why do schools do so crappy in poverty areas, but excel in wealthy ones. It’s not that education is crappy, it’s simply not engaging. You are once again disregarding the context and environment school has to compete with. It’s crappy and will do crappy becuase education will never compete with the distraction that surround us everywhere.
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The reson teachers unions are so powerful is because of government. You can’t force someone to do something they don’t want to, but teachers unions have legislators on their side, people that can force their will on you
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THat’s not a government problem. That’s a local issue.
Let me ask you something. Should companies be allowed to lobby? Should they be allowed to donate? If so, then you shouldn’t be bitching about this.
Also, you must have not heard when a teachers union shut down an entire districe (chicago or LA iiirc) because they didn’t like the new legislation that was being pushed. Legislators are not on the side of teachers. District administration is on the side of teachers, but not state legislation. They are not the same thing, administration is given general guidelines and left to it’s own usually by state authority.
No because even if you got rid of those issues. You still have much larger problem with the education system. You keep thinking of the education system as if it exists in some vacuum. It’s not.
Throw all the money at it, it won’t do well if the people involved aren’t playing ball or are willing to educate themselves.
Private education only works becuawe the only instutions that exist are high end ones that cost anywehre from 50-100k a year. Please do tell me how the fuck is the average family going to afford a brand new high end car for the next 12 years?
Even if you where to fix the money issue, and the adminstration problem, it wouldnt matter becuse you stil lhave to more important variables that aren’t in sync.
Children still won’t cooperate or give a shit. Parent’s still don’t give a fuck because they are to busy working those shit pay jobs they have to work. And it’s not like they can go train themselves to get the necessary skills. I have no idea in what kind of wonder land you libertarians live in where everything exits in a vacuum.
It’s not a government issue, it’s a people management issue. To say that it’s a government issue shows your ignorance and shortsightedness on the issue.
no it’s not. Even when government had limited power it still fucked up because rich people still owned the government. Why in the fuck do people like you (liberterains willingly ignore context and history, if liberalism is a disease, liberalism is a mental deficiency)
But lets pretend like the whole tax system and current monetary system wasn’t created by private interests. And lets conveniently forget all the dumb shit that happened in the 1800’s where the government didn’t have anywhere near the regulation and power it has now, but it still suffered the same fundamental issues that we experience today.
Ignorant voters voting for politicians bought of by the extremely wealthy. It always boils down to ignorance in the popuation and the extremly wealthy owning the government.
Why do you think reducing governmental power is what should be done. IT’s like you are incapable of making the connection that the vacuum will be filled in by local randoms. Stanning for it, while not understanding that it will lead to fiefdom 2.0
No, there should not be a choice. Not if it’s paid with tax dollars.
I’m starting to hate people who claim to view politics objectively just for the sake of just saying it. People who are “middle of the road” just to be cool. They usually end up demonstrating how out of touch they are with the many realities of the world. What’s makes it even more head scratching is the fact of how sure people are about their ideas while never experiencing anything beyond the average life of a random American. You’re literally pontificating on a known unknown. Shut up and worry about the things that you actually experience. Better your life.
One of the most idiotic ideas I’ve heard at nauseam lately is the fact that minorities automatically vote democrat and that somehow voting republican would force democrats to do the things minorities actually want. So minorities should vote for the party that is openly against their self interest to change the party that is indifferent to their interest? Which party they vote for clearly isn’t the problem.
He’s had my vote. Just get money the fuck out of politics and 3/4 of all our problems would be solved.
My sources,
I believe them since I’ve never heard anything different from people I’ve found to be credible. This is also based on anecdotal evidence as I know quite a few Latinos who are active on this issue against Obama. This matter does not affect me so I side with the majority opinion on whom it does affect.
As odd as it is to say, Trump has good ideas when it comes to H1B Visa’s, and banning elected government officials from working for lobbyists after their term is up.
Being middle of the road in politics is the best way to be because we don’t all agree on every issue exactly the same.
I’m voting for D
I think he’s refering to peeps who claim to be about that life for some other sake.
Middle of the road is ideal, it’s what this country was founded on and made it work. It’s what worked in the past, but it’s not something you can rely on. Sometimes you need a fucking gun to the head (FDR extra supreme court appointees)
The last thing this country needs is liberals and left leaning retards implementing more social welfare thinking that’s the answer, just like we don’t need some libertarian right leaning shit taking things away thinking that’s the anwer.
Libertarian does not equal conservative. I don’t agree with many things conservatives think. I think being as conservative with the economy as possible is ideal, but being as liberal (not socialist) as possible with social issues is better.
When you remove government from programs they don’t belong, you only open it up for the rest of the economy. 40% of the economy right now is government. 60% of the economy is creating value and 40% is stealing it away. what the hell is that? statistics show that they don’t work. If the proof is there remove government.
Libertarian
Right leaning
You fucked up there. But then again, political parties in the west are just extreme left or yesterdays left.
It’s okay to pick a side of an issue when it’s the right one. All views on all issues can’t be right, all the time.
Who decides whats right and whats wrong?
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I agree with that, but I feel like there is a way to handle disagreements on important shit. This shit is kinda important, so I do try to be respectful of other people’s ideas, cuz I know everybody aint had the same life I had. Especially if somebody givin’ their opinion on some shit I have never experienced for myself.
And I’m all on that Lawrence Lessig tip. Could you imagine gettin’ money outta politics? Yo, that shit would be amazin’. I also love how Trump exposin’ these fraudulent ass creeps runnin’ in both parties. Even though I know Trump is ignorantly racist, I still like him. That said, I, in all seriousness would never vote for him. And even tho I’m not a big conspiracy theorist, I am startin’ to think Trump is curiously settin’ up the race so some in the out field can win. I mean seriously, Trump is helpin’ Lessig, low key. A 3rd party candidate has a pretty decent chance of winnin’ here if people just pay-the-fuck attention.
do you ever choke on your own platitudes?
Afraid. Not.
I’d rather call a spade a spade and face the rage that will ensue.
Then you’re just like everyone else. The only difference is, you look forward to the ire of the masses. You’re a troll.
