(Why do people keep assuming absolutes in here that people aren’t outright explicitly saying?)
Who said that Europe was somehow free of any troubles? Last I checked, for instance, France was still kind of blatantly racist towards a lot of its Arab population even before this most recent age of terrorism and before that a lot of Europe as a whole wasn’t terribly kind to Jews even before the whole WWII thing. So, uh…?
Even if Europe isn’t a utopia, that doesn’t mean that (West) Europe isn’t generally still more black-friendly and gay-friendly than America has been and still somewhat isn’t, though the latter part has moved really quickly in terms of improvement compared to the former.
Not that any of this has to do with the mental health issues that this guy had though, but hey, these type of threads always get sidetracked.
Sigh. No, I don’t. I agreed with the part on media hypocrisy and I guess the part that, in general, it is detrimental to tell people they’re constantly victims when they aren’t. I don’t, however, agree with the rest of article, including with the argument that “victimhood” was the key issue here, at least in the sense that this particular guy had experiencing “victimhood” solely because he was black and gay and had thus been indoctrinated by America’s evil “The Left” to have it. It’s not like there could be any other possible non-race, non-sexuality based explanations for feelings of (constant) “victimhood” after all, like say mental illness or, though unlikely in this case, actual legitimate discrimination against him.
Furthermore, you say that like I ever explicitly said I disagreed with the article on the topic of media hypocrisy overall and obviously manipulative agendas that happen to on both sides; I didn’t. You just assumed I did because I basically rolled my eyes at the rest of the article and merely pointed out why the article overall felt ridiculous to me despite that particular point being truth enough, along with my pointing out the parts that felt extraneous to me, like constantly talking about “The Left” without actually talking about a viable solution on doing anything; to answer your question about Dylan Roof in the media yet again, I simply didn’t watch most of the coverage of it because I knew the majority of what they were saying was biased, sensationalized and thus generally worthless as 24/7 news networks are–I only watched long enough to find out about the location and whom he killed, generally speaking. So my saying that I disagree with basically everything else the writer of the article said, including the supposed “solution” you and implicitly, I guess, he “provide” that it would be “very easy” “if the desire is there to end it”*, doesn’t mean I ever said that the guy didn’t have a point about the topic of media hypocrisy and bias because, again, it’s pretty obvious. I admitted as much when I corrected you about your assumptions about the type of news that I consume as well as your other generally condescending assumptions.
As for everything else you said, it seems like we generally went to the same type of high school at the same time, so we’re apparently the same age, but clearly that’s about all we have in common apparently–not exactly news there though.
For the record, history class for me never actually focused on America’s minorities much at all outside of the requisite rush through Indians and slavery to get to the Civil War. Beyond that, the closest I got to apparently getting “brainwashed” by the monolithic, unstoppable “The Left” was when my third year history teacher spent a lot of time talking about the Vietnam War and the various people we fucked over during that pointless war that we clearly never learned from since he was big on being factual about that war. So, uh, I don’t know what to tell you about my “naivete” in that regard, especially you’re acting like America never fucked over any of its residents. Obviously that’s not true.
Again, I can understand not telling people to be “victims” all the time, especially depending on how you define “victimhood” in the first place; I mean, just look at how ridiculous SJWs are with being “triggered” by everything under the sun. It’s just that pretty much every time I see anyone argue in favor of “don’t be victim all the time”, however, those same people act like America’s never done anything wrong to its people and doesn’t continue to screw over its people rather blatantly with regularity. Maybe it’s because a lot of people make the mistaken assumption that by saying someone or something is “racist”, you’re automatically putting it on the level of the original KKK, complete with lynchings and all that good shit (that never happened?). I’ll grant that it has the effect, but that effect isn’t or at least shouldn’t be legitimate if you’re so insistent about talking about cutting through (only) “The Left’s” bullshit. Either way, racism doesn’t have to be that severe to still be legitimately hindering and dehumanizing to people; the same goes any type of actual discrimination. I’m not sure why I would have to explain this outside of you just not having to experience any of this as, presumably, part of the majority, but I’m honestly trying not to assume things about you that it would be really, really easy at this point to assume.
In any event, the people who think minorities are sacrosanct victims who can do no wrong ever are idiots (or willfully blind), just like the people who think that whenever minorities complain about something it can’t possibly be legitimate are idiots (or willfully blind).
Beyond all of that, I’d say that I don’t really know what to tell you, but given I was never trying to convince you of anything in the first place, there’s nothing to tell you since I don’t really care what you think and the opposite is clearly true since you keep telling me why I think things. If you want to continuing post in here though, then you’re free to do that as long as you stay within the rules of course. Just like I’m still free to call things I see that I think are ridiculous in here “ridiculous”. It’s just rather clearly pointless of us to send so many words at each other when neither of us are going to listen to each other what with you clearly being set in your beliefs and obviously think I’m not giving you “honest thought” just because I disagree with most of what you said.
Regardless, have a good, safe weekend. If you want to reply to any of this, then feel free. I’ll let you have the last word on it since I’m already tired of us clogging up the thread with “rhetoric” that’s hardly even on topic at this point.
P.S. The “solution” of “if the desire is there to end it” is basically both a non-answer when you don’t say how to actually end that desire, provided you can even proof there is a desire for “it”, and a non-starter since you could say that for literally any problem. Both of those things on top of the fact that there’s also the blatant implication that “the desire” in question would have to be a method, as the one saying that, obviously agrees with in the first place. In this case, said “the desire” just seems to be trying to get people to agree to white-wash history even more or at least not talk about any of the detrimental shit that America did along with all of the beneficial stuff; if you legitimately want to try to talk about both aspects, then it’s honestly not coming off that way. Regardless, it’s just not in human nature to desire the same goal unless it’s conspicuously profitable for the self and, again, everyone’s so polarized with this “The Left” and “The Right” bullshit and all the bullshit both sides spew that no one could agree with what the best way to fix anything (that needs actual fixing) would be even if it was as glaringly obvious as the noontime sun in a cloudless sky.
