Repeating School - The Miharu Hirano Thread

[Fergus2k8]

Spoiler

http://fenixware.net/fab/images/chars/game/miharu_tek-692.png

Miharu returns to Tekken after a 10 year absense.

Introduction to Miharu and her first official reveal.
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Miharu’s full moveset.
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Some quotes from Tekken Zaibatsu on their impressions of Miharu so far.

Spoiler

Had my hands on some Miharu today…

D/F+4 - Great range. I think its around range 1-2. Does not stagger on block. Although its launch punishable, Its low enough to make some mid punishers miss as if its T3 AOP.

Ive been abusing it and its great on hit. Opponent is PLD and your followups from regular stance are depending on what your opponent does on the ground. If he rolls back, either a 4~3, ff+3, or a f+3,1 for a juggle. if he stands, you can launch him with u/f+4 or d/f+2~1.

Though I must say, it may be abusable for now, but it does have a considerable slowness to it, making it blockable on reaction in the long run. I suggest we use it sparingly.

d/f+1~F+1 = crumple stuns on regular hit. But still cannot find a use for it because it takes centuries to execute. Ate 3 godfists today trying to do the move. Still unsure if its safe on block.

AOP 1+2 - same with Ling on hit. On block though, it gives Miharu a certain stagger, and im still unsure if shes punishable for it. One thing though, the stagger pushes Miharu further away, with more distance between you and the enemy, thus may give you more evasion room.

RDS ff+3+4 - utter crap. Maybe safe on block, but doesnt do much but push your opponent away on hit. Also the range is not as long as we think it is in the vids.

d/f+1+2 - also crappy as compared to Lings d/f+1+2. No followups, she lands on her fanny, and gives a good distance between you and the enemy.

b+4 - I will not dignify this folly of a move with an answer. Well, its a great punisher for -14 and gives you either regular stance or RDS.

u/f+3+4 - She lands on her ass on hit, making followups limited.

d+4 on grounded enemy - It looks cute, does decent damage. The taunt ruins everything though. What would have been a great okizeme was ruined by that taunt animation. Twice today that move whiffed on a rolling opponent after throw. While Miharu was doing that ditzy dance of hers, i eat launchers.

I must say, grudgingly, that shes better than Ling… For now… What makes her better is, aside for her Anna-esque rack, its solely for the D/F+4 move. But I can see in the long run that it wont be as useful as it is now because people may and will block it on reaction.

With that being said Ling will still be the better option eventually because of her slightly better moves over some of Miharu’s moves.

Also played some Miharu today.

RDS ff+3+4 (butt bump) is absolute garbage. The range is almost non-existent and the move is slow as hell.

FC df+4 is a godsend. It’s almost as if it has phantom range. I’ve hit people around range 2 with it. Guaranteed ff+3 on hit too.

df+1~f+1 is way too slow. I’ve been using it similar to Jin’s df+1,4~4, and the only thing I’ve done is eat Steve b+1 and Bruce b+2.

df+1+2 grab still gives some oki, but not as good as Xiao’s. More info about this grab later.

df+2~1 seems to have better range because Miharu has longer reach.

Other stuff: just refer to what daxchua posted.

Partner specific stuff:

Miharu has similar special tag throws with Xiaoyu. I’ve tested on Alisa and Panda, and Miharu has the tag throws that they share with Xiaoyu.

Miharu’s df+1+2 also has a special tag throw with Xiaoyu. They throw the opponent far away and celebrate a bit. Damage is decent, but no oki at all.

EDIT: forgot to mention that she doesn’t have the Xiao -> Asuka tag throw off df+1+2. This is because Miharu’s df+1+2 is different.

• The new elbow thingee is called “Doki Doki Elbow”. The command is a fake belly chop into the attack: d/f+1~f+1. This mid attack looks like it crumple stuns on regular hit (25 damage), and you can ~5 Tag in a partner to remove the Red Life bar. I’ll bet it is -16 on block, but if it is -14 or less and has good pushback, it’ll be pretty awesome to use in battles.

• I forgot to mention in the Xiao New Properties thread that I discovered Xiao’s Storming Flower (d/b+1) has +2 extra damage on normal hit in TTT2 and +5 on clean hit (round opener range or closer). Miharu seems to have the old T6 damage for the same move.

• She replaces Xiao’s T6/TTT2 b+4,4 Cherry Blossom with the old b+4 Phoenix Twin Kicks. It’s still i14 speed I’m sure (like Xiao’s b+4,4), and a double high attack for 35 damage. Unlike Xiao’s current version, this one allows you to recover in RDS.

• It looks like the Ginger Snap (u+1+2,3+4) still doesn’t SSR like it used to, but I’m not sure.

• I doubt that a 4~3 is possible any more after the Shooting Star connects is no longer possible since she falls to the ground after u/+3+4. Oh well, most players back tech it anyway.

• She still has a bounding XMTS.

• The full crouch versions of Xiao’s Flower Bed/Garden moves (FC d/f+4_d/f+4,4) have been replaced with the new Surprise Sweep Kick (that’s its name) from the command FC d/f+4. Like Kunimitsu’s sweep, it knocks down on normal hit. Likely launch punishable on block, but awesome! I can’t tell if Miha recovers standing or in FC. They fall like the Firecracker (AoP 4~3 sweep), so I can’t tell if you can combo them or not (f,f+1_XMTS B! would be amazing).

• Xiao’s Back Layout (RDS f,f+3+4) has been replaced with Miharu’s Attack (that’s its name). In this mid attack with decent range, she throws her butt towards the enemy who is very briefly stunned on hit. It looks like it might crush highs, she remains in RDS, and we don’t know what happens on CH.

• Miharu retains the AoP versions of the Flower Bed/Garden attacks.

• The Double Barrel Shotgun kicks (AoP u/f+3,3) look to have the same TTT2 properties on launch.

• School Girl Stomp: d+4 vs. a dpwned enemy. 20 damage and she jumps back with a mini-taunt. Hmmmm, after a 1+3 throw, I would always get in my free i12 d+4since she won’t be able to do a i12 d+4 low kick any more on downed opponents for 4-7 bonus damage depending on how they got up. I wonder if this new attack will work in that set up.

• She has two new taunts, but the same front, back and side throws. She also still has the So Shoe Me tag throw (f+2+3) and the Dragon Fall throw (D/F+2+4). The two 10-strings are exactly the same.

• The d/f+1+2 throw has changed to “Miharu’s Unlimited” push back shove (38 damage, she falls backwards afterwards). Unfortunately, unlike Xiao’s version this one won’t allow a f,f+3 follow up attempt and doesn’t switch places with the opponent. As of now, it looks like only Dragon Fall and So Shoe Me will switch places, and they will do only if they are successful. Even when the opponent breaks Xiao’s d/f+1+2, they switch sides so it is very good when your back is against the wall.

• I didn’t notice any removed Xiao moves that I didn’t mention. She looks to have everything else. The frame data and CH effects here and there may be different… we’ll see.

Miharu Sample Combos: Most of 'em shown are weak stuff that Xiao can do, but what’s new is d/f+1~f+1, d+1+2, AoP 1,2, RDS 2,1, XMTS, 4~3. It at least shows off the new attack.

Also, it seems that u/f+3,3, f,f+3, RDS d+4, f,f+1_XMTS B!, finisher is a combo for both girls. I tried it right now and it is tough to get either bound move to hit consistently on small characters, and after so many hits it makes a terrible TA! setup because they get pushed far away. I’ll stick with going straight into XMTS after launch. Maybe it is easier for Miharu though.

That’s it! TLDR: Miharu has almost all of Xiao’s moves. d/f++1~f+1, the new, tag bufferable mid-stun (on normal hit!) looks great, as does the new FC d/f+4 crouch sweep. The new d+4 stomp will be good to use after spike moves (i.e. juggle–>B!–>XMTS finisher) so that the opponent won’t choose to turtle on the ground as much, allowing d/b+3 re-launches when they move. The RDS f,f+3+4 booty bump looks a little slow, but at least it is another ranged mid option from Rain Dance. It may even do something special on CH.

Honestly, I can’t think of a reason to ever choose Xiao over Miharu. There are no major nerfs, but there are some great new perks.

Credits goes to those posters from Tekken Zaibatsu.

I’m personally quite hyped for Miharu, I’m gonna run Asuka/Miharu.

Will update OP with more information as they come.

[Fergus2k8]

Combos

[LEFT]Key[/LEFT]
[LEFT] [/LEFT]
[LEFT]RDS = Rain Dance Stance[/LEFT]
[LEFT]BT = Back Turn[/LEFT]
[LEFT]XMTS = X Marks The Spot (ff+1+2)[/LEFT]
[LEFT]SS = Side Step[/LEFT]
[LEFT]SSL = Side Step Left[/LEFT]
[LEFT]SSR = Side Step Right[/LEFT]
[LEFT]B! = bound[/LEFT]
[LEFT]W! = Wall[/LEFT]
[LEFT]TA! = Tag Assault[/LEFT]
[LEFT]CH = Counter Hit[/LEFT]
[LEFT]WS = While Standing[/LEFT]
[LEFT]WR = While Running[/LEFT]
[LEFT]1 = Left Punch[/LEFT]
[LEFT]2 = Right Punch[/LEFT]
[LEFT]3 = Left Kick[/LEFT]
[LEFT]4 = Right Kick[/LEFT]
[LEFT]5 = Tag[/LEFT]
[LEFT]~ = slide input[/LEFT]
[LEFT] [/LEFT]
[LEFT]Xiaoyu/Miharu (Credits to Shauno from Tekken Zaibatsu)[/LEFT]

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[LEFT]Here is my current set of Miharu/Xiaoyu TA! juggles. Most of ‘em are interchangeable with any girl starting it so I will label the combo sections for them with Xiru and Miyu.[/LEFT]
Whenever I use F>+2,1,4, it means hold forward until your character to takes a step and then continue with the ~2,1,4 power string. Also, f,f,F, N~f+1+2 means run forward to do a f+1+2 shoulder finish, but release the controller briefly for a neutral frame in order to avoid accidently whiffing with a f,f,f+1+2 cross chop dive.

The first set can be used for full anti-Red Bar juggles if you don’t ~5 B! back to the point character (does less damage of course). Let me begin with a combo using a new discovery: Miharu’s d/f+1~f+1 is a taggable juggle starter:

Partial anti-Red Bar TA! juggles

Miha d/f+1~f+1~5, Xiao SSR f,f+3, RDS 2,1, XMTS~5 B!, Miha F>+2,1,4, Xiao f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 87
Xiru d/f+2~1~5, Miyu d/f+2_D/F+1, XMTS~5 B!, F>+2,1,4, Xiru f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 83
Xiru RDS 4~5, Miyu b+3, RDS 2,1, XMTS~5 B!, F>+2,1,4, Xiru f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 86
Xiru u/b+3+4~5, Miyu b+3, RDS 2,1, XMTS~5 B!, F>+2,1,4, Xiru f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 95
Xiru WS+2°~5, Miyu b+3, RDS 2,1, XMTS~5 B!, F>+2,1,4, Xiru f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 96
Xiru RDS f+3+4,3+4, RDS f+3+4,3+4~5, Miyu b+2, RDS 2~2~5 B!, F>+2,1,4, Xiru f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 88
Xiru CH AoP 1+2, 5, Miyu f,f+3, RDS 2,1, XMTS~5 B!, Xiru F>+2,1,4, Miyu f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 92
Xiru CH RDS 1, RDS 4~ 5, Miyu d/f+2_D/F+1, XMTS~5 B!, Xiru F>+2,1,4, Miyu f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 105

Pure TA! Juggles

Miyu SS+3, b+3, RDS 2,1, XMTS~5 B!, Xiru F>+2,1,4, Miyu f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 91
Miyu HYP 3+4, f,f+3, RDS 2,1, XMTS~5 B!, Xiru F>+2,1,4, Miyu f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 94
Miyu u/f+3, b+2, RDS 2,1, XMTS~5 B!, Xiru F>+2,1,4, Miyu f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 76
Miyu RDS u/f+4, b+3, RDS 2,1, XMTS~5 B!, Xiru F>+2,1,4, Miyu f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 92
Miyu f,f,F+3, AoP 1,2, RDS 2,1, XMTS~5 B!, Xiru F>+2,1,4, Miyu f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 83
Miyu CH SS+4, WS+2, RDS 2,1, XMTS~5 B!, Xiru F>+2,1,4, Miyu f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 88
Miyu CH 4~3, WS+2, RDS 2,1, XMTS~5 B!, Xiru F>+2,1,4, Miyu f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 94
Miyu CH WS+2~f, b+3, RDS 2,1, XMTS~5 B!, Xiru F>+2,1,4, Miyu f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 90
Miyu CH RDS D+3, f,f+3, RDS 2,1, XMTS~5 B!, Xiru F>+2,1,4, Miyu f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 80
Miyu CH d/b+4, f,f+3, RDS 2,1, XMTS~5 B!, Xiru F>+2,1,4, Miyu f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = 74
Miyu RDS d+4, WS+2, RDS 2,1, XMTS~5 B!, Xiru F>+2,1,4, Miyu f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = ??
Miyu <ground 3 sweep>, WS+2, RDS 2,1, XMTS~5 B!, Xiru F>+2,1,4, Miyu f,f,F, N~f+1+2 = ??

I’ll update the damage for the last two later.[/details]

[Yannick]

:eek: I wonder if she has tag stuff with Panda and Alisa. Hmmmm.

[Brennan]

Yes, she does. Tag Throws and all.

On the other side, Miharu is like TTT2’s Shuma - some of her unique moves involv her Taunting in the end of the animation - making stuff pretty punishable even on hit.

Also, her unique command throw is the best one of the game.

[Great_Dark_Hero]

I’m having a lot of fun with Miharu myself!

[Steelguttey]

Holy crap her boobs physics makes less sense than anime boobs. They jiggle in every move. She seems good though. Her command hrab apparently really good.

[Brennan]

Her command grab apparently really good.

Indeed.

[Fergus2k8]

Levelupyourgame’s overview of Miharu, starts at about 14:00ish

[AnneIFrank]

How would I know Fergus would run this thread?

[IsleySilverKing]

How would I know Fergus would run this thread?

Sakura?

[AnneIFrank]

Sakura?

Every character I play in every fighting game ever?

[Fergus2k8]

I can’t resist the moe!

[AnneIFrank]

I can’t resist the moe!

I know the feels

[Great_Dark_Hero]

Miharu is certainly going to be a recurring character for me. I do like playing Miharu slightly better than playing Xiaoyu - both of which can easily be a devious team for obvious reasons. As of TTT2, I like how Miharu’s (and Xiaoyu’s) Rain Dance movement have some increased evasiveness. Very nice. A good way of dodging linear moves and then capitalizing accordingly from that stance.
I do find Miharu’s b+4,4 to be useful for punishing slow recovery moves on guard but not quite as… damaging as Xiaoyu’s and both of kicks hit high but it seems to have slightly less recovery that Xiaoyu’s version… (Xiaoyu’s b+4 hits mid and still combos after the first hit but should the opponent guard the move, it is -11 on guard, so just using it as a punish after a laggy move will suffice).
The game plan for Miharu seems to be more or less the same, but with multiple aspects to take into account… like Miharu Unlimited (which does a pretty generous amount of damage) for example. As stated before in the OP… Miharu also seems to have some longer reach than a few of Xiaoyu’s move, such as the df+2~1. Some safer moves would include things like ff,4 (+1 on guard though its start ups is a bit laggy it can easily be used for combo finishing purposes), db+3 (fast, does no damage but hits low provides the user with a good set-ups (+3 on guard)… 3 (while crouching)2 is safe on guard is exactly 0 frames on guard. Sense Xiaoyu is known for providing a very good mix-up game, Miharu can get away with such moves as well.
… Here is Xiaoyu’s frame data - Granted, Miharu definitely has other moves at her disposal but this could be utilized as some sort of guide for moves that they share. Should there be frame data on Miharu, I’m sure it will be provided soon.
http://www.avoidingthepuddle.com/ling-ttt2-frame-data/
(Other than this, just resort to using the videos and information from the OP as a guide to help you adjust to game play properly and play well).

On a side note, Miharu’s reactions are so cute. Especially her intro.

[Fergus2k8]

Updated OP with Xiaoyu/MIharu combos.

I don’t know how to get rid of that first spoiler, I only put in one spoiler, it’s annoying me a bit.

[Thirteenthorder]

A stance primer would be nice, by the way. New players probably have no idea what they mean, let alone the notation for performing them.

[Fergus2k8]

A stance primer would be nice, by the way. New players probably have no idea what they mean, let alone the notation for performing them.

Done, if there’s any terms I left out, let me know.

Also, somehow got rid of that spoiler tag, woooo!

[Fergus2k8]

This accurately describes my online session today

http://imageshack.us/a/img685/6103/trollmiharu.jpg

[Fergus2k8]

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This Miharu player is pretty good, there’s more videos of him on that channel.

[Buffalo]

So, personally I don’t think she’s better than Ling, but goddamn she’s too cute to not play.