I’ve really taken an interest in point Vergil. I have a lot of experience with Doom (i got TAC infinites) and have recently picked up Hawkeye.
What do y’all think about Vergil/Doom/Hawkeye?
Pretty solid, but I would opt strider over hawkeye for that team simply because I like how he plays with doom, but hawkeye’s still a great option. Which doom assist are you using?
That team is great, Hawkeye works amazing woth vergil and is amazing with doom only if you have good movement with doom. But good movement with doom + triple arrow is really really good (and probably safer than vajra since strider can be punished with a good anti-air) and missles is the only way to go if you have hawkeye.
Doom isn’t really good with Triple Arrow, dunno what you’re talking about. Vajra’s easily a better choice. I would even say Jam Session or Cold Star would provide a better team than Triple Arrow…
Nothing really beats lockdown for Doom, and Triple Arrow doesn’t provide it. The best horizontal projectile assists for him are Drones and Unibeam (or Cold Star if you’re counting that), for the active frames and lockdown they provide, along with easy confirms.
If you’re saying “Doom/Triple Arrow with good Doom movement” is great, then “Doom/Vajra or Jam Session or Cold Star or Drones with good Doom movement” is even better.
I like missiles for Vergil.
Thanks for the input guys. I can see strider dante and ammy all being better anchor choices. Too bad i’m terrible with them. If i were to switch to strider, should i go plasma beam with doom? Same question for ammy too.
Actually I like Vergil/Doom/Hawkeye. I would argue that triple arrow is a better horizontal assist for vergil than plasma beam (less hits and keeps them standing). With this team you get missiles, and a very good horizontal. Doom with just triple arrow isn’t the greatest but it’s workable if your doom is actually decent. At the same time you can always DHC hawkeye in and play hawkeye with missiles which is great.
I don’t know if people are playing Vergil/Shuma other than me, but stuff:
-Rapid Slash and Mystic Ray, converts on hit with st.S or with some spacings Lunar Phase, mystic ray makes it safe on block.
-Shuma gets a hit midscreen, you can do midcombo cr.MH Eyeballs S, j.MHS, Tag Vergil, dash forward cr.H stinger, teleport M, S Upper Slash Round Trip into loops.
-Obvious Helm Breaker pickup is obvious.
-Off a ground throw, dash and call shuma, high time, converts.
-Everything MrBulbaMike figured out, shown below.
-On a hard knockdown, you can dash so you’re at max range of high time, then high time+ mystic ray, teleport down, teleport L or M, superjump LHS and it’s a reset they cannot see. Way easier to do with Devil Trigger.
-It looks derpy, but during round trip blockstun, call Shuma and immediately either teleport M twice or M H, or L M, or whatever. It’s decent.
Anyone else like this pair other than me? I just started playing Vergil/Shuma but love them so much.
Missiles. You don’t need Plasma Beam for Vergil. If you have Doom and Vergil on the same team, and Doom has Beam, it’s almost always because it helps the third character more than Missiles, not because of Vergil.
You get Missiles no matter what. I agree with Triple Arrow being a stronger assist for Vergil than Plasma Beam. Not only for what you mentioned, but it lends itself much better to multi-layered mixups (Stinger + Triple Arrow is the perfect speed, and you can followup with a teleport on either side, into frame traps or rapid slash or a throw) and resets. Vergil/Missiles/Strider is still strong. Vergil doesn’t really need a beam assist in most matchups.
I know KaneBlueRiver has been experimenting with Vergil/Shuma for a little while.
I prefer beam simply because you can combo an OTG with swords active, can’t be ducked, and doom beam is stupidly safe and ambiguous since he’s so far back. It’s very hard to happy birthday a doom beam assist if they’re playing smart. Hawkeye stand too far forward and some characters can poke you out of a mix up by crouching under it. Sure crossing up on a neutral opponent forces a brief stand, but if they input a move that stays ducking they’re safe from that.
Zero, Morrigan, wolv, strider, mag, vergil all have ways of sneaking under arrows with normals from a good distant to at least tie as the 3rd arrow hits and prevent a confirm
interested in Vergil on point…I need two other chars, does Dante complement him well?
Of course he does, they’re twins.
morrigan, dante, doom, strange, strider, magneto, hawkeye, shuma, ammy, nova, sent, frank…
select 2. win.
But Vergil/Dante/x…is insanely good and pretty much all those mentioned can be in the anchor slot cept nova and morrigan (but vergil/morrigan/dante is the sex!)
So I’m trying to make a team and I think Vergil would help. Aiming for Vergil (Rapid Slash) Rocket Raccoon (Spitfire or Pendulum) and Ammy (Cold Star). Kinda scared to pick it up cause I rarely see point Vergil but like the synergy. I also have a Vergil RR and Hawkeye team as well. I also can’t seem to decide on Pendulum or Spitfire for benefiting Vergil.
I’ve been using ?/Vergil/Ammy for like 8 months. During that 8 month span, I have never found a good point character. Zero is boring, I don’t like wesker, magneto is ok but not one of my favorite characters. Wolverine is fun but, that team fails hard against zoners and plasma beam assist. Off and on I’ve been playing Vergil/Doom/Ammy. Missiles and Vergil are incredibly fun. I just don’t like doom. So I was thinking of vergil/IM/Ammy. what do you guys think? I’ve been playing the team for 20 minutes maybe. Unibeam is good, Vergil can also combo after helm breaker with repulsor blast. Using ammy and iron man, you can build enough meter to kill most characters off one hit.
Question for you guys that play Vergil/Hawkeye. I’m having a little trouble converting with this pair against smaller characters like Frank West and Wolverine in a particular situation. With Vergil, I do magic series ending with Stinger and I call Hawkeye at the same time while also teleporting. If they block the Stinger, they have to guess left or right which is perfect. The problem is if the magic series hits with Stinger against these smaller characters, part of the arrows hit late and it doesn’t combo. Usually this does combo on other characters. But there’s a select few that it doesn’t. Any ideas how to get around this? It tried varying my timing on the assist call with no luck. Also looked for matches with Yipes vs. Justin and didn’t really see anything there either.
Phoenix Wright works well with Vergil. Just gotta throw that out there. 
Ammy/Vergil/Dante stuff
Vergil starts at 6:00
After 9:00 there’s just some cool stuff