"Put down the Flowchart, Scrub!" Ken Video Thread

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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You did well. Good to see you use Tatsu combos instead of SRK.
But you did miss punishing that Flash Kick in round 2. A bnb SRK combo would have finished the round (unless that was an execution mistake meant to be a c.mk SRK combo).

Yeah don’t get frazzled in the corner with Guile. Simple pokes and feints or just a air tatsu will get you out of it. He is charge character and needs his special moves for any decent combos.
A simple throw will stop a wake up FA attack or you could have gone for a FP SRK when he tried to FA or jab mash. If blocked FADC it and back throw his ass in the corner.
At that positioning has much more limited options.

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Some guy recorded matches of me playing him and uploaded them to youtube and someone else told me he put them up. All of them are ken vs ken.

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lol I can hear the moron mashing srk as your doing block strings.

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It looks so much like his cr.mk that I get confused sometime, and everytime I do I kick myself because of it. Your advice about the f+mk is really good, I think I was just overusing it that day, and I think I learned my lesson. It does make you extremely vulnerable to low attacks.

Yes! Tatsu does more damage. Plus with an OST it can be relatively safe.

Thanks for the tips guys!

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Tatsu combo’s generally do less damage (about 10% less). But the advantage to them is really that at the end of the combo it resets and allow you to apply non scaled damage like a throw or c.lk combo.
Also it also can give you better positioning as it pushed your opponents further back than SRK.
SRK is a good combo, especially if you need a KD but many Ken players forget the other option that can be as good, sometimes better.

Jinty - good stuff. Will watch more later.

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I need to work on my Tatsu combos…Wassup Joe!, lol.

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Yea lol, atleast it teaches me to block more during my own block strings.

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Hey! Don’t call me a moron. If a blockstring-counter-SRK work there is no reason NOT to do it. Specially if you know your opponent likes to throw…

Though, since the games with Jinty I have evolved my playstyle, I use tatsu-combos more often as punishment and after crumples, but I still like the standard combos ending with a SRK (specially after a crossup, c.lp, c.lp) since a f.srk gives perfect distance for a crossup or a masked crossup which my play heavily depends on. After a f.tatsu we get a reset but also a guessing game since we are -1 (+1 on Ex-tatsu tho). Depends on the character I play against and how many Ex-bars they have, more then 2 and you can count on a reversal attack instead of throw or block.

However, I have uploaded over 200 videos of my matches on my Youtube-page http://www.youtube.com/tlshadowitch

Keep in mind that I have a lot of distractions during many of the games since I have wife and kids, and that my play has improved pretty much since I started recording in late april (if you watch “old” videos). I’m also aware of that I have some executionproblems but all in all Im pretty satisfied with my Ken and I’m evolving all the time. But I would sure like some inputs from you guys. If I would recommend some videos on the site I would say the matches against Mbolibombo (overall one of swedens better fighters) and Yagami.

Some examples:

[media=youtube]2S6skF9VzW8"[/media] <— Ken vs Ken mirror vs Mbolibombo

[media=youtube]hEsXcuDtSdQ"[/media] <-- also a Ken mirror match, whats up with those? :slight_smile: against evildancer, theres some swedish chitchat in the background, apoligize for that :slight_smile:

[media=youtube]YQAJ77u-eaY"[/media] <-- vs Yagami’s Ryu, I put up a pretty good pressure-game

[media=youtube]EtgSHKdB7yE"[/media] <— Yagamis Dhalsim, close but Im not patient enough :slight_smile:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5aulZ7GDEs <-- vs Yagamis dhalsim again. Managed to catch him :slight_smile:

Impressions?

edit: Im up for challenges on PSN, nick EndySWE, EU-players prefered ofc but I have had some great matches against americans with good connections. In the g-1 rank there’s like 90% americans so I have do adapt :slight_smile:

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i think they are just pointing out that with you doing it so much your kinda asking to get baited by purposefully ended strings.

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I know what you mean about distractions. My little one likes to get in front of the TV, pull out the ethernet cable (luckily only in player matches), and press buttons on the controller while I’m pressing them.

Aw well… She’s gonna be better than Ed Ma pretty soon. :smiley: She can c.jab like nobody’s business.

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Well ofcourse, but as I said, I’ll do it as long as it -works-. If I notice that the one I play with counter it I will stop, but as long as I land the SRKs on a throwattempt/missed link there is no reason not to do it, is there? It’s all about adapting.

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I like you lol. Constructive criticism that actually helped me step my game up a bit hours after reading it. Thanks! You on XBL?

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I agree. You do what it takes to win. If mashing works…do it. When it stops to work - stop it and try something else.
I don’t blame flowchart Kens at all. It probably was working very well for them for the first few months- why should they stop?
My only problem with it (mashing) is: wouldn’t it be difficult to FADC if you are mashing? As you’re not sure when your DP will come out.

Option select is being more safe. Mashing is going for the big gambling pay-off. They are both logical tactics. Some people don’t like the idea of throwing or punishing dizzy. Medieval thinking won’t cut it in this day and age. You do what it takes to win: throwing, punishing and mashing your way to the top.

Whatever it takes in the laws of the game.

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FADC is really not a problem when mashing out a SRK in the middle of opponents string, for several reasons:

  1. If the SRK lands as a counterhit it will send the opponent flying, if you miss the FADC it’s not THAT big of a deal since you got him KDnd, if you on the other hand land the fadc - ultra you will get the full ultra, win-win.

  2. If you land the SRK early but not as a counterhit it must be FADCd on the 2nd or 3rd hit to be effetive and that actually gives enough time to react accordingly to the situation.

  3. If you land the SRK late at a long distance the range will mostly send the opponent flying, as all 3 hits in the f.SRK doesn’t land but only the last which sends them flying you’ll likely miss the FADC but still get a KD. win-win in any case.

  4. If the SRK is blocked you just FA and dash either forth or back depending if u want to get out or be aggresive.

Oh and btw I think the comparison to flowchart Kens are awfully wrong. There is a HUGE difference in spamming SRKs all the time without any hitconfirms and trying to land SRKs in the opponents combo-strings.

But as I said before, the SRK-reversal on strings is only a viable tactic as long as your opponent falls for it (specially if you don’t have 2 ex bars for a possible fadc). It’s all about adapting to the other persons playstyle.

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for me it’s my damn cats… and sometimes the strays that they will attract to my apartment lol.

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LOL. My gf would love you. God, does she love cats… And strays… Makes my skin crawl…

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I advise learning a few delicious veitnamese/chinese recipes.

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for all on the flowchart…
happy i can help :smokin:

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lol so that’s 5 nearly 6 abel ultra’s in like 15 minutes… that dude is AWESOME!

i mean clearly you were just really cheap using the ultra’s glitchy frames on him!

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That dude should just use Ryu.