If I have to start arming myself then I want a larger tax refund and have the police department defunded. I don’t want to have to develop a taste for homicide in order to feel “safe.” It’s also a shitty band-aid for the real problems that plague our society which causes the violence in the first place. OK, so you’ve armed yourself and shot the guy trying to shoot you. Then what? Soldiers get PTSD from a job they signed up to do.
Cops carry guns and are injured by return fire as well. They’re trained to use them against the same people you want protection from.
This is America and gun-ownership is a deeply ingrained social more. So if you’d like to own a gun for hobby, sport, or whatever else non-crazy (legal), knock yourself out. But if you buy a gun under the pretense of safety from criminals? You need to step away from the computer and stop buying into your Rambo delusion and realize how frail your life is.
Said by someone raised in a low-income neighborhood in NYC.
basically, you don’t think it’s fair that mom and dad won’t let you be alone with a boy in your room anymore because your big sister got pregnant when she was your age. you think every single person on earth should have the right to make the same mistake that adam’s mother did, and you also want to take away people’s right to learn from the mistakes of others.
Nah it’s more like he doesn’t have the time for anyone with a differing opinion. Doesn’t help when you open a debate by insulting the host either, and those smirks were pissing him off :lol:
do you guys know said hillbillies? Or are they just generic dipsticks you see on TV? Because an argument fueled by such (soundbitecherrypick) might as well be fueled by your own imagination.
Perhaps Jie’s characterization of them as such is a bit colorful, but it is not at all out of line to suggest that there is a sizable overlap between the pro-gun crowd and the pro-Patriot Act crowd–the inconsistency in the two positions be damned.
The positions aren’t necessarily inconsistent, though, only if you use the fact that gun rights are implied by second amendment as an argument for gun rights to remain as-is. Some people do use other arguments, with varying levels of effectiveness.
i just like making fun of hillbillies. i have many friends who are gun owners and they come from all walks of life, only some of them are meth hillbillies. i personally own no guns, but i do think its a legitimate concern that when a government takes away all its citizens guns, that the citizens are helpless (think china). but really i dont think most gun owners care about that, because given all the bs the government has pulled off there should’ve been a lot of angry hillbillies. but there weren’t.
I consider the most consistent trait of hillbillies to be their overwhelming anger/distrust towards the govt. Its natural to write off the motives off a group of people you feel you are better than; but this is prob borne out of confirmation bias and when you use the supposed motives (or lack thereof) in question as the premise of an argument you run the risk of invoking circular type logic.
Is it not out line? THat is what I am saying I am not convinced of. I dont know a single conservative person my age that likes the patriot act (and I know a relatively broad samnple). The only poepole that seem to like the patriot act are the politicians; big surprise (of course there is just as much -if not more- R as D in favor of it). Being in upstate NY (which just passed an antigun law today) I know lots of hillbillies with guns and regular heads with guns, none feeling the patriot act. The only person I know that supports the patriot act is a ~60yo ex military; and he doesnt even allow guns near his house, so not even any overlap there, hahaa. Its hard for me to not think that this overlap that you refer to is due to the randpm dipstick (the darling of national and local media everywhere) that is an ever present constituent of the standard deviation of every single demographic (cherrypick).
caveat: I did not take in consideration the opinions of females on this topic as I believe such data points to be outliers.
How they feel about it now is irrelevant. How did they feel about it at the time it was passed, during that golden age when 77% of the nation was frothing at the mouth to go fight terror?
It’s not the lack of guns that make citizens helpless. They are helpless because they are all of those things that I mentioned before: uneducated, uninformed, ignorant, afraid, poor, indebted, sick, pessimistic, and demoralized.
The highest rate of gun ownership in the world hasn’t stopped corporations and the government from screwing over Americans for the last 30 years.
Meanwhile, look at what the Europeans get. Universal healthcare, free education, more and better public services, better quality of life, less personal debt, they live longer, they are better paid, I could go on and on, but I think everyone gets the point. It looks to me like an educated, informed, and emboldened population that actually participates in its government is more effective at getting what it wants than a population that puts its stake in the ridiculous idea that glocs and bushmasters grant invincibility.
Regardless of whatever social convention society agrees to we can all agree that gun technology isn’t going to uninvent itself and is here to stay. History has shown that social conventions are transitory; they eventually change or break down. Go ahead, ban guns, they’ll be waiting permanently until you change your mind again.
