Public Shooting and GC Thread: Active Shooter reported at LAX

Yes. I’m not for or against gun bans/control/regulation but

Mercaz HaRav shooting, the gunman was shot by a part time student
Some church in Colorafo Springs, volunteer security guard was carrying and wounded the shooter who then kills himself
Appalachian Law School shooting
Oregon Mall Shooter http://www.examiner.com/article/media-blackout-oregon-mall-shooter-was-stopped-by-an-armed-citizen
Above link links to more articles though not about “mass shootings”, 12 year old girl hid in the closet with her mother’s gun and defended herself from a man breaking in, 14 year old boy protected his 3 siblings from an armed man breaking into their home

Sadly, people don’t hear about these.

Slow down… stop tryin to get deep on me an tryin to counter what im stating. Many get my point and where I come from… if you don’t you don’t. I will not sit an break down the meaning cause obviously you’ve never heard of or understand where that comes from so just leave it be… i even said times have changed.

gun control… as a gun owner i took the legit route to make sure i could get an purchase guns for both hobby an protection of HOME. i dont need to go out an get a permit to CARRY around… just my opinion but the legit route can be manipulated in ALL states an let alone the under the table route in which ANYONE can access guns IF need be. Just my opinion… all states should have the same rules an ways of obtaining, registering, and renewal of a type of license… again my opinion since i own one an see how states differ in their rules (my bro is a gun owner as well in NC but their rules are soooooo lenient).

mental health… as stated earlier i dont buy it… dont care if ya live at home wit mom… if ya didnt make friends… if ya diagnosed with something… you obtained a weapon, loaded it, tracked ya target, killed ya target an decided to extend beyond that range. along with the fact you ensured you had defensive measures (ie a vest) show ya mental health was you knew what the hell u were doing.

Again my condolences to the families this is very very tragic overall regardless of how we are tryin to ‘break down’ things. no matter the race we are killing kids… what more is their to say

That’s not what is meant by mental health.

If someone is feeling like they don’t exist and looking for acknowledgement or get noticed/heard, they might off themselves quietly while others might go looking to get on the news somehow. McVeigh wanted to be heard, look at how far he went. Some might just want to be remembered.

The neighbor they interviewed said the mom told him the kid wasn’t acting like himself and she was worried or something. Imagine if she took that a bit more seriously and would take him to like a counselor or whatever. As society, we need to learn to be a bit more serious about these things so it doesn’t turn into these events.

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i hear you man… i do an I can agree. Yet people love to sway that way AFTER the fact (see colorado shooter). i called he will play the ‘insane/mental’ card immediately. sorry i just dont buy it imo… again my opinion. mcveigh did what he did an spoke on it… didnt play the insane card… he knew how he wanted it to play out an without research just knowledge of history he was a military guy an was bias of government (if im wrong correct me)… i cant compare him to this or colorado. again i just feel in those cases i cant see the mental illness bein played… hey just my opinion. as far as evaluation an true definition of ‘mental health’ hey ill leave that to yall to argue out…

I almost spit soda all over the screen :rofl:

I’m ok with some gun control, but let’s not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

It is bullshit. The only thing more disgusting in my opinion is the media spinning it as the mother being a gun toting, end of the world whacko. Which can’t be confirmed or deconfirmed either way.

So, do we know whether or not Lanza used the rifle to kill the children? During the weekend reports said it was found in the car. NY Times and CNN are reporting it was used to kill the kids. There have been other reports that have said he had four hand guns when it was in fact two.

He had a shotgun in the car in the reports that I read. 4 weapons in total, 3 on him including the assault rifle and 1 shotgun concealed in the car he was driving.

The varying news agencies were tripping all over themselves while rushing to be the first with any information. It felt like all of the “late breaking news” was just corrections for the fuckups while they were live.

I’m having an argument on Twitter with someone now and we just turned on media for spewing out unverified information.

I have 3. I’m looking to get a few more. I have two 9mm guns and a shotgun.

Honestly high capacity doesn’t matter. A magazine can be dropped and another fed in within less than two seconds. A shooter can carry 3 ten round magazines and kill just as many people as one 30 round magazine.

I am a licensed concealed carry citizen. I shoot no less than twice a month. A carry only for self defense. My first option will always be to flee and take cover. If and only if i have a clear line of site will i consider engaging a shooter. I carry self defense rounds (hydrashok) so hopefully the round will not go through. That said i pray i never have to draw my weapon. However, if i were ever cornered by a mass shooter and i had my loved ones with me i would not go without a fight.

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With the amount of ex military and law enforcement who own guns I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that well armed militias could hold there own against a threat be it foreign or domestic… Guerrilla warfare.

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No hand gun that i know of carries 30. Highest off the top of my head is 17. You could put a 30 round carbine magazine in a glock but i would say you should be able to conceal it by any means. The magazine is too long. So 30 round magazines generally are going to be in rifles. I don’t know of many that carry rifles everyday. If i lived far out in the woods and i was away from my home i might carry something like that but i can’t say that no one would.

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Haven’t really read the thread and I don’t really want to get into arguments. This whole thing makes me sick. Not just the tragedy but the media and political swarm that follows. I hate how the media can give so much coverage to this terrible incident but when kids are murdered everyday in Chicago no one bats an eye. What leaves a worse taste in my mouth is that that’s a bit our fault, as news outlets would certainly do just that if the interest and ratings were there. I hate that Obama uses language along the lines of “using all the powers my office holds” and lamenting the idea that horrors like Newtown are the price for certain freedoms when he waits for his second term to show some balls. Hopefully this time around the debates and solutions that follow will be more nuanced, but looking at how Congress works these days it’ll be a cold day in hell before anything gets done. After spending the weekend with my family these past couple of days I thank God I still have them, and it is still unimaginable for me to think about those that don’t.

Guerilla warfare only works when another nation provides training, ammunition, supplies, and materials to the guerrillas. Considering that the US has the only blue water navy in the world and an unmatched air force, I don’t see how any of those countries would get those supplies over here.

Whether ex-military or law enforcement or just plain old people, civilians and their guns would be no match for the more powerful guns of the US military along with tanks, armored vehicles, planes, etc. It also wouldn’t be very long before the guerrillas simply ran out of ammunition, food, supplies, etc with no one to supply them.

Our superior military is doing wonders overseas. Ambushes, raids, sabotage, total disregard of any rules of engagement. I could go on. It’s the tactics that would be used. I disagree with the notion that a militia would run out of rounds quickly. That said the focus is tactics. The US military will never win another war because of the tactics used against them and the restrictions placed on our soldiers. That tips the scales quite a bit.

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It means nothing to a lot of Americans either, except when it’s used for mythical Founding Fathers propaganda. This may not apply to anyone in particular in this thread, but I don’t think anyone will deny that there’s a big overlap of people who favor the second amendment and are desperately trying to get rid of the first (the separation of church and state, in particular), and who don’t seem to mind the disappearance of the fourth. Funny, the fourth amendment can be destroyed in the name of (arguably) increased security, but not the second. It really doesn’t make sense.

Anyway, I’ve said what I have to say about gun control/regulation. Maybe it won’t work, but I don’t see how it would be totally ineffective.

Everyone talking about mental health, ok. What should we do? GM wants to get awareness out there, which is a start. Hotlines, after school programs, church if that helps (and I’m atheist/agnostic, but I recognize there are a ton of good religious people - those badass nuns pissing off the Pope, for example), PSAs, etc. Not to sound like one of those “good old days” people, but kids and teenagers are under way too much unnecessary stress now. Little kids don’t have much free time to play creatively without their crazy parents signing them up for soccer and music lessons and ballet and whatever, which wouldn’t be so bad if the parents didn’t put so much pressure on the kids to excel. They’re like 11 and still aren’t coordinated enough to move like an adult, leave them alone. Did LeBron’s mom force him to play? He turned out ok.

Then there’s school, which is just awful. Standardized tests, before restricted to SATs/ACTs, etc, are now a huge part of the actual curriculum, with the clear message that the student’s future depends on it. With homework loads increasing, school days/years lengthening, decreasing importance of the humanities and recess/gym, science and math being thrown at them when they’re not ready (and usually by unqualified teachers), and just the intense boredom of school, no wonder some snap. The competition for college admissions is also insane, along with the crushing debt that comes with it. So maybe to the parents out there, these are things to keep in mind.

These are still mostly “rich white people” problems, so is that why the killers seem to fit into that category? Could that even be why they target schools? That might be reaching, but unfortunately there might now be enough data points to make a connection. I’m not minimizing inner-city Chicago shootings, but I don’t think they happen for the same reasons as this type (and while we’re raising awareness of killings not covered in the media, I remember hearing that there’s a pattern of gay/trans killings in Chicago that’s basically ignored. I’m sure it’s not limited to there either).

All of that and much more falls under the two words “mental health”.

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By the government. I’m pretty sure that in the event of martial law some of those restrictions will go out the window.

But you’re right, Billy Joe Bob definitely stands a chance against the US Armed Forces

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