I agree with Preppy and his avatar!
Use report more!
This just sounds like Serfs v Pros.
I don’t care for it. Who decides what makes someone worthy of posting? Is it purely skill in the game? Do they have to beat a specified opponent? Do they have to be nice about it? What if a newbie has some really great tips but isn’t ingrained enough yet for people to listen to him? There’s no universal criteria for where great info comes from. A 7 year old could come on here and say something that blows up the world, just because he happened upon it. The messenger should have no impact on the message.
Honestly, the last thing we need is a “Pro’s Corner” to further segregate the community. Too many people already throw around scrub without any meaning whatsoever attached to it. Now it’ll just be “Yeah, when you’re allowed to post in the Pro section let me know…” That’s literally all this’ll accomplish. The top players don’t post here because they don’t want to have to deal with every person asking them questions of no substance while treating them with some kind of artificial deference - there’s nothing in it for them.
It’s really just idolatry. Like they say about guitar players: For every virtuoso you see/hear, there’s a dude playing in a garage with his buddies who can smoke him.
The SRK front page, option-select.com, and twitters of top players already fill this role quite well don’t they? Wouldn’t it make more sense to network those sources that already exist and make them easier to find from SRK?
Pros that want to share their information online already do so, and those that don’t really can’t be assed to care, as far as I can tell.
I’ve lurked various forums for a while (and even this one - but my old account isn’t working so I just recently re-registered), and well, I’ve very rarely seen top players post in forums. It’s not because “Y’all bitch asses aren’t good enough for us” but rather because they just do not post in forums. You can’t force a top player to post after all. Some do, and some will share their knowledge. Others won’t.
Now, if top players request it, I could see it happen. The initiative, however, has to come from them. As my name says, it’s not like I’d ever have access to it so whether or not it’s elitist is none of my concern. However, I’m kind of worried that they’d go through all this trouble for nothing.
Choi tried. It didn’t quite work out.
Definite. The mods for a lot of the sections primarily seem to just be the most active poster, but not the best, or even better players.
And tbh the OP idea just sounds really dick riderish. No offense to you, Tat, I’m just saying.
Off the top of my head I think about how Riot Games caters to top LoL players and patch things mostly according to their requests. Riot Games patches every other week anyway and they’re willing to change things if enough people QQ about it anyway so I guess that isn’t the best example. I’m pretty sure the Starcraft 2 community works on a caste system but I don’t know much about it other than the fact that it’s the hottest thing in ‘e-sports’. There are a bunch of clan sites but I’m not sure if it’s a way for the players in the clan to communicate with each other and discuss strats or if it’s a circle jerk for fans of the clan. I’m sure you already know about Smashboards too so I won’t mention it.
If tournaments are frequently organized, this can never be true for fighting games. Believe it or not, skill in fighting games is judged by who can win more often. Believe it or not, fighting game skill is gauged by participating in tournaments.
As far as I can tell my local crowd has, for the most part, stopped using SRK. We have a facebook group now that’s quite active.
Not really sure what that says, but there it is.
I’d approve but many posers will cry foul. Street Fighter 5 should have a recording device to record matches. Would also need something so anyone can type in your tag in the leaderboard section and you can watch their replays. Along with something such as Halo’s website where anyone can check it online including your stats and recent matches.
Well, I see two issues that may annoy top players. The first of them is toadies riding their dicks, the second one is trolls… well… trolling them. Seriously, some people will pretend to be scrubs just to troll them - seen it before.
A number of good players do not post here because, job aside, they play a lot. Playing a lot actually turns them good. And it also reduces one’s free time to post on SRK or whatever other forums.
As for the idea itself, I find it useless. There is no point in posting on a forums if people will not be able to comment. If I had something to say, and had to choose between a forum with lots of people and one with restricted access, I’d choose the popular one. I do get that stupid people are a reason to not post at a place, but I maintain that it would not work. No incentive and not as much exposure.
This is the perfect example of a shit post.
You’re obviously some moron’s alt account…
I don’t think you understand the analogy.
Maybe before we answer the question of how to get top players to post, we should be figuring out the question of why a top player should be posting in the first place.
I am willing to bet that top players got good at the game by playing the game, not by going to SRK and waiting for other people to play the game for them. They went, experimented, took notes, and worked on their excecution, footsies, and mixups. They actively seek out opponents, either in the arcade or by inviting friends over, and concentrate on improving themselves, their gameplay, and above all else, do not make excuses for things that are considered “unbalanced” by the majority of people on this website (Yun, Phoenix, pre-patch Senitnel, etc.), even if they genuinely are. They equate players who say something is “cheap” with someone who has given up and doesn’t want to learn. They don’t lose faith in themselves, even if they are about to lose a match, and will think about what you are doing, why they are losing, and will adjust accordingly. They put in countless hours to keep their skills sharpened, and even if they do lose, they learn something about themselves from it.
Given all the time they invested into this, why would they go out of their way and write up articles for people who don’t even have an iota of the passion they have in the first place? MAYBE, if this board was filled with players that have their zeal, then yea, I can definetly see that happening, but for them to put in all this time and just give away all the info they researched to people who aren’t serious about putting in the time and effort to learn the game and want to be held by the hand every step of the way … for FREE … I don’t think that is a very realistic expectation at all.
Another thing people don’t realize is that if top players started posting more, they would get hounded more by random useless questions, both in their inbox and on the forums. When they don’t respond to OnI-Iz_BrOkEn69’s question about why Oni is allowed in tourney play when he is clearly broken (note, I know he is not broken), they will feel snubbed and think the top player is a elite snob for not taking 30 seconds to answer such a simple question, not realizing that they get this question ten times a day. God forbid they go to a tourney and the same guy will be like “Oh there’s the prick who’s too good to take 30 seconds to reply to my post/pm.” Now. it used to be that SRK had neg rep so that if people said stupid things, or posted incorrect information, people would respond by neg repping the guy and others would respond by calling him out. This kind of feedback system helped keep things like this in check. It wasn’t perfect of course. Stupid things would still get posted, but at least there was some degree of filtration. Nowadays, everybody has to hold hands and play nice.
Anyways, I think these are things that factor into why top players aren’t posting. The problem is, I do not see how this can possibly change.
I feel bad for laughing at this, but this is so idealized it’s a little silly.
Really though, good info is good info regardless of whether someone like me or someone like Latif or J Wong posts it.
I’m all for this as long as all of the assholes who spam the like button every time an older member posts something are given access to this forum. Anything to ghettoize the smug elitists and their fans is fine with me.
refine my new sticky sir, we need it
An elite forum would only make things worse IMO. I remember my days at Smashboards years ago, I was always pissed about the backroom. I know this isn’t Smashboards and it wouldn’t be exactly the same thing, but we have character specific forums that cover this type of discussion just fine; no need to add more useless subforums. I already dislike having 20 sub forums for a game.
I actually think this would be an awesome idea. I started to post this in your thread about the main page, but I guess the idea popped up on its own.
Background on me: I live in a part of the world that had access to AE months before the console release hit. I came to SRK hoping to talk about the changes. Unfortunately, out of the dozens of active posters in the tier thread, only like one or two of them had any clue at all about the game. After about of week of trying to talk about it, I just gave up. The signal to noise ratio is just terrible. Check out some of these posts:
He’s talking about Yun’s EX Lunge, btw.
This stuff is all a bunch of crap. None of these posters contribute anything to the discussion. They would all be better off just reading and learning. The thing is, even most of the posters that think their posts aren’t a bunch of crap are also, in fact, a bunch of crap.
Right now, there is no place on SRK for people who understand the games they play to talk about it with other people who understand games. They either get drowned out by people who don’t get it/the trolls, or they simply don’t bother. I would love to see an invite only section that is read only for everyone else. Require tournament placing at a decent sized/comp level tourney to enter.
I’m totally on board with the push to make the main page more competitive. I hope some success is made on that front. I also hope we can actually have a place on the forum to up the level of discussion.
dunno why many people feel that FGD is a good place to post their shitty threads 