Problems in Cleveland's Console Combat

Hello. I’m Nick Jones. I’ve been going to Console Combat when it was Fight Night at Manny Patron’s house, the founder. A brief history of CC. From what I understand Manny Patron started having people over his house to play fighting games. Mostly people from hear in the community. What he started began to outgrow his house and he wanted it to always be free, but didn’t want to have to kick people out because of lack of space. So, this is where Fight Night became Console Combat.

Matt Schultz arranged for it to be held in a bar in the flats district of Cleveland. This first place didn’t work out. They weren’t making money off CC, so it was moved again to another bar within the flats district, McCarthy’s. This is where it is currently located. Everything runs relatively smooth. Last week was an extreme exception.

There is an individual who attends CC that has a personal issue with me. I was there last week, while he was as well. This individual attacked me [he punched me in the face twice]. I walked away from him, as Manny Patron and a few others held him back to prevent any further outbreaks. I waited at the front of the bar to speak with someone, when Matt Schultz appears and begins to physically push me out the door, while demanding that I leave.

I was a bit confused why I was being kicked out. I told him not to push me, he did anyway. I grabbed his fingers and said I can leave without his assistance and left. I called the police immediately to press charges on the assailant.

After the cops wrote a report and me and the assailant were on our way, I made an attempt to text Matt Schultz and ask what’s going on. I was told that I disrespected the establishment and that I am banned for 2 weeks, the same amount of time my attacker was banned.

I said a few harsh words in response, as well as saying that I will never come back to Console Combat until I am issued a public apology. I feel that everyone should know that this is how you will be treated if they are attacked within that community. You will be treated as if you are in the wrong for being attacked and disciplinary action will be taken on you.

Aside from swearing at Matt after being told I’m kicked out for two weeks I don’t see what I did wrong in that situation.

hahaha whats the matter are all of the little cleveland kiddies not getting along. so so sad. no one gets punched twice for ‘no reason’ either. so dont come here looking for sympathy i doubt you will find it. me i thinks its funny as hell and will always think of this whenever cleveland gets brought up. good job guys

why did he punch u

It was because after I got out of the hospital he decided to kick me while I was down and fuck some bitch I used to date and brag about it, along with trying to belittle me. So when I found out he was there I shut his arrogant ass up. It’s all good though. I don’t love no ho. Besides, what kind of 30 year old man tells the police that a big bad 18 year old beat them up? :rofl:

Besides, you never contributed shit anyway. I did on the other hand. I buy from the bar religiously, bring consoles, bring games, participate in tournaments (that aren’t SF4), and help out whenever I can. I drive from an hour away just to come to CC. I was just banned for a few weeks because it wouldn’t have been fair not to really and I never tried to argue… you’re the one who did some bitch ass shit.

So honestly Making a FUcking thread about this is childish and immature.

Speaking of childish and immature… he told his mom on me. :rofl:

This thread is lolz. how are you gonna get punched in the face and then go cry on the internet about it? what you should have done was keep this off the internet and handled your business like an adult instead of putting it online.

Yes, things like this should be settled like men in private. And when I say “like men”, I don’t mean fighting, I mean civil reconciliation.

That goes for both parties involved.

This matter was attempted to be handled in private. Since he decided to make this thread I will make everything public that was said via message. After that I have nothing to say. Bottom line is that these two threatened everything we have created. I could care less what the fight was about. I told both of then they would be ok to come back to two weeks if they A: both met with me and convinced me this would not happen again and apologize to the community. Darshawn apologized though he said the same thing will happen in two weeks so it is not possible for him to come back. Nick proceeded to cuss at me and tell me he would never return and played victim… he said he was walking in the park one sunny day, whistling, and out of NO WHERE so kid came and punched him in the face. No responsibility was accepted. I suspect he has narcissistic issues that never allow him to be wrong nor admit it. Conversing with him is impossible.

It is unfortunate that this all went down the way it did… but it did happen and I am sorry the two of you decided that this will not be able to resolve the issues.

But hey! If this is the first time you have heard of console combat… check us out at www.consolecombat.net :slight_smile:

Below is the communication from myself and Nick.

First message to Nick from me

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Nick,

Concerning last week. I wanted to get in touch with you and explain a few things and justify my decision to kick both of you out.

It is really unfortunate that you and Darshawn fought like you did. From what I understand you guys used to be friends. I understand that this fight was over personal issues with each other and not over video games. To be honest, I do not want to know the story… nor care b/c it is not pertinent to the facts of the situation. You sent me quite a few messages when you were mad. You mentioned that you got punched for no reason and did not instigate. I want to make something very clear. I know this is NOT the true story. Understandably you were mad after the physical confrontation but I know you were laughing at him and making it worse. As i said, I know you are mad but that all contributed to the problem.

Things can happen in a competitive environment like console combat and I completely understand that. I myself, have been in very similar situations.

Console Combat is very dear to myself, manny, rob, and all others apart of the community. As I said, I am very sorry you fought, but it threatened everything we worked to create. if the owners had been there, I can promise you would NEVER be welcome back and Console Combat may be dead. We are all fortunate that is not the case.

I have decided that you are banned for two weeks. For whatever the reason, this type of behavior cannot be tolerated at CC. I am sorry that you need to be the example but know that Darshawn has received the same punishment. Neither of you are getting preferential treatment. I know you said that you never want to return but understand that I know things can be said in passion.

If you make the decision to return after two weeks, several things need to happen. I need to meet with both you and Darshawn. I need to be convinced by both of you that this will NEVER happen again. Also, you need to apologize to myself and the community for your actions.

Please understand my position. Take care.

-matt

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Responses from Nick

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I don’t need to apologize to you at all, Matt. YOU should say sorry to me, I very rarely say things out of passion. I never said that I was punched for no reason. There was definitely a reason behind it, and I didn’t feel there was any need to discuss nor explain the reasoning he had behind it. I wasn’t laughing at him afterwards either, I was highly annoyed that YOU kicked me out after I got punched in the face and I was calling the police.

It’s not a fight if both people involved aren’t attacking. So, here’s the situation that happened [all that you and anyone involved with console combat should know, nothing more, nothing less]: I showed up and was sociallizing. Darshawn show’s up later and see’s me. He walks towards me, I walked away from him. He strides towards me and punches me in the face. I walked away [no laughing was going on there]. He walks towards me again and punches me a 2nd time, Then attempts a third punch. Again, no laughing. What exactly did I do wrong here?

After that someone pushes me to the front of the bar away from him, while I was just standing in shock thinking. While in the front of the bar I waited for Either you or Manny to show up to talk about the situation. You show up and begin to push me and tell me to leave and that you don’t want to hear what I have to say [Note: YOU appear to be acting on passion and impulse in this situation, not levelheaded or relaxed, not thinking fully about your actions, just making actions.]. On a technicallity pushing me out the door like that IS assault as well.

I tell you to get your hands off me. You aren’t listening. I tell you again. You’re not listening. I SCREAM at you, maybe you’ll listen if I scream. You still persist, I grab your fingers and demand that you never touch me again, the bartender scream “Don’t you hit him!” to me, the guy who just got punched in the face a moment yet didn’t hit the person who punched him. Not the clearest line of logic to think I would hit someone who’s only pushing me when I didn’t hit someone who actually hit me.

I could see how you can make a judgement on me grabbing your fingers, but if you were to use the same logic to make such a judgement you’d have to place the same on yourself for pushing me out the door. Maybe you didn’t fully grasp the situation yet, maybe I was very upset that I got punched and am not getting kicked out. This reasoning can keep going on but it persistently gives boths sides a justification for what they’re doing.

After you did get a little more of what happened, after the cops showed up you told me I was disrespectful to the establishment. “…need to respect the place.” were your exact words, near the end of your text that said I was being banned for the same amount of time as Darshawn, which you’ve decided to stress multiple times, which shows you don’t seem to think much of my ability to recall even the smallest shread of information. To which I responded, with a bitter sarcastic retoricle question “How is getting punched in the face disrespectful?” In a message where I told you to fuck off and that you’re an asshole for kicking me out, which I still stand by and agree with %100. I also mentioned that you have very poor leadership skills if this is how you’re going to deal with a situation like this.

Dictionary.com’s 7th definition for fight: to engage in battle or in single combat; attempt to defend oneself against or to subdue, defeat, or destroy an adversary.

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more…

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If you are no one defends against an attack it isn’t a fight, it’s just an attack or an assault. There was no fight, just a man with a grudge and something to prove attacking another man because he’s angery.

Back to the part where we’re both banned for 2 weeks. I have a problem with that. I did nothing to anger him, while at CC. I did nothing to entertain his desire to fight. I did nothing out of respect for Console Combat, an organization that kicked me out for two weeks after I made the attempt to respect the place despite my personal well being being placed in immediate danger.

He should be banned, I shouldn’t. If a decision, a poor one, is made to ban both of us for a set duration of time, He should be banned for a longer period.

Why? I’m sure you’re asking this, you don’t strike me as the brightest star in the sky when you make stupid decisions with very poor reasoning behind it. If I’m there I have a long history at Fight Night and CC of not doing a damn thing to cause trouble. It’s been seen by everyone there. I don’t instigate fights, I don’t cause problems. I joke around with people, I play games, I occasionally go outside and smoke. At CC I joke around with people, I play games, I buy a beer, I occasionally go outside and smoke. In a situation where someone does cause problems, directed on me, I walk away from it.

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more…

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Darshawn complains about life, plays games, buys nacho’s, drinks a monster. Nothing wrong with that, it’s not causing trouble. Then he gets mad about the problems in his life and takes them out on someone else in a public environment while in an emotion rage.

Me: not causing problems for the group. Darshawn: Causing problems for the group. Matt: being a moron and banning both. I’m very serious when I say that I will never come back to the place again if I’m not issued a public apology by Matt. I’m also very serious about posting the events of what happened on SRK, Smashboards, Gamefaqs, my facebook, and everywhere else I can find to publicize the events and the incompetence of Matt.

If I knew that this is how Matt would handle things in said situation happened, I would have never showed up to CC. Fight Night was fine. If something like this happened to someone else and I read about it happening on SRK or smashboards or anywhere else. I would NOT go to that group.

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I responded with

[quoteI’m sorry you feel this way and I am sorry you will not be attending CC anymore.

to be quite frank Nick. You have not acknowledged on fact are indeed playing the victim. The fight that was the result of personal issues btw you, Darshawn, and some girl. The fact is that you both jeopardized everything we have created.

Good luck with everything in the future. Just to be clear… this is not how I wanted the situation resolved. Since you are not willing to abide by the groups rules, understand that you will be removed from McCarthy’s if you decide to show up. I have nothing further to say and do not wish to participate in this conversation. Manny and Rob will agree and again… Im sorry [quote]

Two fist fights at FG setups in a week?

I blame the Sentinel patch.

Yeah… Not a good reason to punch someone, sorry.

How about you grow a pair and handle shit like an adult.

IMO it sounds like playingtowin is pretty much taking care of it the right way.

You should both take a couple weeks off just because it happened in the first place.

The only thing I would do differently is ban you forever.

is your last name brown by chance? chris brown, noel brown, shady brown GOD DAMN

Wtf is this?

Come on, now…we’re too old for this shit. Don’t make ME have to come back up there and beat some ass because McCarthy’s doesn’t want the Console Combat to be there anymore because people are fighting.

Darshawn, you my dude, but that’s not cool man that that went down. Nick, making a public thread about this is fucking stupid, not to mention bitching about it on every damn site is just making you look fucking silly childish, not anyone else.

Either way, this thread needs to go. ASAP. This is dumb as all fuck.

Hmm, well, I’m not even in that area, however, even after hearing the sides of the story, I’d avoid CC too.

Well, at least you stuck to your word about telling everybody. :\

Dumb

Dumb

You’re both dumb.

qft.

LuckyDay: Go die. Please. I have no idea who you are, why you decided to come here, or what kind of bitch of a mother didn’t abort you.

Azuro: Yeah, I apologize again and again that happened. It could’ve been anywhere but unfortunately it was here. I’m very sorry.

Matthias: I admit. It was dumb. I was in a fucked up state of mind and my actions were inexcusable. I’m man enough to admit my mistakes and my stupidity. After seeing him come here whining though… I actually feel justified now. If you want me to hit him a third time, please just ask.

ailerus: My last name is White. Though, everyone I know with that last name winds up in jail one way or another. I see myself winding up there sometime, and it will not surprise me. At all.

Making fun of someone for being childish and immature and then saying this shit makes you look dumb, and this whole situation is also dumb, some dude hit a dude and they’re both fucking stupid for being involved in it.

rofl. i will have sex with you all.

haha this thread is ridiculous. it remindes of the ‘michigan is awesome’ thread, except this is the ‘cleveland is stupid’ thread. just as amusing tho if not better cuz i thought cleveland was a shitty place before this and yous guys are definantly backing that opinion now more than ever.