Pressure, Safety, Mixups, Resets and Approach

[PrettyMuchAverage]

People can get much too much into combos, in this game. The majority of characters have 900K or more health, and the average combo does 600K damage, so really, unless you can take your damage to an extreme and kill with less than two combos, getting better damaging combos isn’t your chief concern. What is? Landing combos!

I want this thread filled to the brim with with as much Iron Fist tech as physically possible, and then some! Info on how he can work solo is more important than assisted stuff, because you can’t and shouldn’t always rely on your assists!

Bring it!

[GomuGomu]

Just gonna repost this.

Alright guys I was in training mode trying to figure out some general stuff about getting around the screen, beating pushblock, and rekka mix ups. I have a few Ideas I need to test but as of now here’s a few of things you might want to mess around with to see if you can discover anything. Even if most of this stuff ends up useless, getting one good thing out of it that makes IF’s point game better is better than nothing.

Full screen
Dash xx st.:h: xx :qcf: + :h: is pretty much a full screen attack. Obviously this is not something you should be throwing out often (If at all lol) but it can be used to hide assists. For instance, with Strider Vajra assist if I call him and do the above input from full screen you won’t see him until he hits. If my :qcf: + :h: hits, Strider will knock them down and I can combo. If blocked, it’s safe and I’m in their face. If your opponent tries to hyper or something, you may be able to use FoF’s invincibility to beat what ever they were doing. With a beam assist this could be pretty decent.

Using chi to punish raw tags
Again extremely risky stuff but it happened to me in a match so it may have some use. It’s the same concept used in Justin’s throw set up at SCR? can’t remember. Anyway, get someone down to low health in the corner (your bnb should take them there), having already used your Crescent Heel OTG get another hard knockdown and then OTG again and while cancelling into chi. If they were trying to tag you absorb the hit then punish. I’m not sure how the tech roll works after another OTG with the Heel but I usually always see someone stand in place so maybe you can go for a throw also. With an assist this might be a situation in your favour. I need to go back training mode lol.

Rekka mixup
I’ve realised that you don’t want to try and land Iron Fist’s overhead but get the opponent to try and block it so you can open them up low. The reason is because IF gets less damage opening someone up with the heel and wasting the groundbounce. This is designed to get a crumple which gives you better combo options. Using F+:h: yellow chi to get the empty cancel ability you can do the following:

[INDENT=1]F+:h: xx :qcb: xx :qcb: :l: > :qcf: [/INDENT]
[INDENT=1] [/INDENT]
In this sequence he feints the overhead, catches them low and gets a crumple. From there you can chi power up and get a decent combo. Best executed with a lockdown assist since everyone up-backs IF anyway. I’m not sure how long you can delay the last two rekkas but if it’s lenient it should be ok to hit confirm the :qcb: :l: so you don’t do the crumple punch and get punished on block.

[Godweapon]

Just from some limited experience trying this, I’ve found that, when ending a combo with Volcanic Roar in the corner (ideally on a character who has limited air movement options… no double jump), I’m often able to land an air throw immediately and follow up with a second combo that will finish almost any character (assuming I threw them back in the direction of the corner and the throw wasn’t too high in the air to land the OTG on time)

[ryuakuken]

since iron fist needs the opponent to be grounded to put up any kind of fight,ive found that tick throws are very very good.not only that it keeps the opponent on the ground,but if the opponent rolls you can wavedash over them and cross them up which allow for lil left right mixups.another good pressure tactic is standing M, H, assist.if they pushblock the H the assist will chase them and you can continue pressure.as far as mixups go, other than the roll one i mentioned you can mixup the overhead and the low rekkas in blockstrings.otherwise i think it might depend on the assists you have.for example i use spencer slant assist,so on incoming i call the assist to hit meaty,if they advance guard ill go for air throw,if not ill dash under.also if you land a full combo with iron fist,when you do crescent heel and call spencer,instead of getting another crumple you can not do anything and go for a throw.at that point you can most likely kill with no meter or one.also if you train the opponent to try to tech in that situation you can go for counter hit with standing M and definitely get the kill.i have some really wacky mixups that i cant really explain so ima have to make a video lol.

[hawkus]

From practicing an Iron Fist BnB a lot, I’ve found that once can get going, he has awesome reset potential.
For reference, the aforementioned combo: [media=youtube]5vo1ccR2uAI[/media]

1.) After the wall bounce, instead of dashing back, stay in the corner and do f+H for the Quick Kick. The move has very low hit-stun and can be jump canceled; perfect for an air throw! The opponent will flip out of the combo and IF can jump to be meet them in the air.

2. After the wall bounce, follow the sequence, but replace the dp.L with qcf.L. Again, the low hit-stun of qcf.L will cause the combo to drop immediately, but the move also has a very quick recovery, so IF can get an air throw.
   You could also go through the whole combo, until the very end, replace qcf.S with qcf.L for similar effect.

3.) With an assist, say Akuma’s Tatsu.
Do the whole combo, but don’t end in Volcanic Roar. Instead, after the qcf.S, call Tatsu assist and qcb.M, dp. L.
The opponent gets lifted by Tatsu, which has low hit-stun and high knockback, and IF will be in a good air throw position.

4.) Do the whole combo. Super-jump air throw.

I don’t have the exact numbers but I think that IF can get 500k meter neutral solo off an air throw.

[ryuakuken]

Tick throws i feel are an underused tactic with iron fist. if you manage to get a touch, tick throwing from L or M can force ur opponent to start pressing buttons when you get in, which opens the door to frame traps paying off.

[Coliflowerz]

I haven’t really tested this, but sometimes I can do a Dragon Fang on incoming during Ammy Cold Star assist. Iron Fist will cross-up the incoming character while Ammy hits, and depending on the timing I can get a combo. I should probably test this more, but it’s an idea. Also, I’ve seen st. M cross up the opponent Haggar Violent Ax style on incoming in X-Factor. That might be something, but I haven’t been able to replicate it, it seems to happen randomly when I play.

[viperakuma]

I haven’t really tested this, but sometimes I can do a Dragon Fang on incoming during Ammy Cold Star assist. Iron Fist will cross-up the incoming character while Ammy hits, and depending on the timing I can get a combo. I should probably test this more, but it’s an idea. Also, I’ve seen st. M cross up the opponent Haggar Violent Ax style on incoming in X-Factor. That might be something, but I haven’t been able to replicate it, it seems to happen randomly when I play.

I’ve noticed standing M can cross up on incoming without x factor. the tricky part is confirming afterwards because of the awkward angle. I think IF can be pretty dirty on incoming with assists like cold star. Especially against big bodies because u can do j. L for an instant overhead.