I definitely think Nova/Doom/Strider is a top 5 Nova team. Easy. Just because of Speed Tackle/Vajra.
Plasma Beam enhances Nova’s overall neutral game because it enhances his zoning, rushdown, and incoming. It lets him confirm off of Rocket Punch M, Grav Pulse L, Cent Rush L, and Cent Rush M. It also makes j.S safe if you normal jump airdash up and call Doom while you j.S.
Vajra also gives those same benefits while keep scaling down to a minimum. Vajra is also incredible at extending Nova’s combos and helps keep people on the ground. Also like I mentioned…Speed Tackle/Vajra gives Nova an entirely new weapon to his neutral game. I can’t stress just how cheap that shit is.
This gives Nova two assists to loop through when you’re rushing down with Cent Rushes etc.
One of the only few weaknesses is the lack of a heavy lockdown assist. But really, you don’t necessarily one if your movement is on point. Plasma Beam gives enough lockdown IMO and makes his left/right 50/50’s during incoming pretty amazing.
Another weakness is Doom/Strider being slightly weaker than Doom/Vergil. The reason I think this is because Dark Strider is so good, that even if Doom is dying you need to hold that shit and play with him. With Doom/Vergil, you can DHC Vergil in and have him fight those problematic matchups. It’s a risk doing that with Strider. Also, Strider is an overrated assist for Doom. Doom is actually so much better with a lockdown assist like Cold Star, but Strider is still pretty good. Just not as strong as Jam Session or Cold Star. Which both Dante and Ammy give Doom very powerful THC options.
That being said, I strongly believe this team is a top 5 Nova team and the strongest overall Nova/Strider team.
Plasma Beam>Weasel Shot :(. Full screen control > lockdown.
Noooo I guess I have no choice. I’m gonna stick with my team a little bit for now though. Ammy Is my best character and I don’t want to lose her but oh well. Gonna go to whens marvel here in norcal next week for the first time, so if it doesn’t work there I’ll consider dropping ammy for doom. I like the nova/vergil shell a lot so dropping my best character won’t bother me too much.
Choose between Vergil and Ammy. If you really want to stay with Ammy, drop Vergil and pick up Strange. Strange/Ammy is a fucking incredible shell and will give Nova access to Bolts + Cold Star. It’ll be like Team Moonz, but better.
I definitely disagree. For me it’s Doom>>>>Strange. Nova Spencer Doom is just a LITTLE less damaging than the Strange variation but you dont have to worry about the liability factor in Strange AND Doom is easier to play. Off of any touch you can kill anyone 1m and over. In terms of damage, NSS is the best. In terms of best assist NSI is the best. In terms perfect balance of damage, assist, usability, and reliability, NSD is the best.
Bolts is pretty ridiculous for Nova. Doom’s benefit to raw tag off airthrows kinda swindles when you can just raw tag Strange from a crumple. Both are good for different reasons. Pick what you like. It’s all about your team make up. I do agree that Nova/Strange/Spencer is better though. Because if you need ONE assist, it might as well serve multiple purposes. Bolts does exactly that.
Hmm thanks for the help. Hopefully I’ll find out the hard way I have to switch my team at whens marvel. Hopefully I make it on stream so you guys can see if it’s viable at all. If anyone wants to see my team in it’s infancy and see some newb nova I usually play at www.twitch.tv/phonytoast. If anyone has psn come check out the lobby. Right now i’m on my friends stream http://www.twitch.tv/anbu_fight_club playing in a lobby. And I know online is bad, but I can’t help it. Marvel is too fun lol.
I tried Strange/Ammy for a bit because the shell doesn’t lose to zoning like Doom/Ammy does, but I didn’t like it for Nova. The damage just isn’t there. You can use the Cold Star crumple tech to tag into FOF loops, but the conversion is awkward midscreen since you can’t really go into a jump loop to get to the corner, and the positioning is awful to do mid-screen FOF. TAC’s are technically an option but again, he doesn’t have a true infinite, and if you’re doing it late in a combo the setup for the loop is strict (read: inconsistent) as well. Can’t get tag combos off an air throw without spending two bars (whiff Speed Tackle -> 7 Rings). It’s not a bad team by any means but it’s not even within sniffing range of NDA in my opinion. Maybe I just wasn’t using it right.
Also, I like Plasma Beam better for Nova because less characters can crouch under it, and it’s pretty fast but still has enough blockstun to safely put out an H Pulse or Energy Javelin.
As far as Nova/Spencer goes, they’re all not top 5 material because Nova is a zillion times better with an assist that helps him create incoming mixups. So whatever assist you go with, you have to be ready to play neutral with that assist and only that assist because your opponents are going to survive incoming way too often. At that point it comes down to personal preference. Maybe Spencer/Iron Man is the best of the bunch because you get access to their team super when Nova dies.
At any rate, more people need to be playing Nova/Doom/Ammy. We’re always like “this is a top 2/3 Nova team” so it’s weird to me that I’ve never met anyone in person that runs the team and have seen it on stream once (played poorly). I guess Ammy is a lot less popular these days.
Yeah I’m gonna give it a little longer. Gonna go to a few gatherings/tournaments in my area and see how I do. One quick question though. When I air juggle with nova, lets just say I catch my opponent with a Air H while they are still in the air. Can I still combo the 3 H’s after launching? Been having some trouble with that the last couple hours.
I hear what you’re saying but I guess what I’m saying is from the PoV of constructing A WHOLE TEAM and not just optimizing Nova, Doom is the better choice. I can accept the argument that bolts is the better assist but what about the characters they’re attached to? The most extreme case would be Unibeam. Probably the most well rounded beam assist…but it’s attached to Iron Man. I personally believe as a whole unit, NSD is more reliable. Excluding Nova and Spencer from the picture, if someone came to any of us and said “would you rather play Dr. Doom or Dr. Strange?”, I’m pretty sure more people would pick Doom because he is more reliable over all. Same way if someone said “Would you rather HAVE to play Iron Man for his assist or play Doom for his which is slightly worse?” we would pick Doom.
You can almost always go into the fly/unfly combo, but it’s spacing-dependent. Off air dash H, what you want to do is land, do a late s.M or s.H, then launch, do the first two H’s fairly quick and delay the last one. I’m pretty sure this works, dougiie can probably confirm or correct. I’ve also seen people do something like, launch, j.H xx fly, j.H xx unfly, air dash down forward j.LH. I’ve never tried it myself.
If you hit someone with raw Air H, no air dash or anything, I don’t think you can get a clean confirm without doing fly, j.LH unfly or unfly glitch H. Or j.S if your reactions are stupid fast.
I would love to run to run that team if I can get a million with dhc. It just falls short I think. Nova/vergil can do 1.2 million. It sounds necessary, but wouldn’t anyone want to kill the hulk in one hit?
When I was in Norcal, I asked Ryan what he thought was better. My Nova/Dante team or my Nova/Doom team. He told me that the Nova/Doom team was miles better just because of how much stronger Nova was with Plasma Beam. It doesn’t matter how good Dante/Strider is. He was right. It’s all about your point character. Optimizing your point character is the strongest form of team construction. It doesn’t matter if Doom is the better anchor or what have you. It’s all about Nova. Plasma Beam works especially if you have another neutral assist to call after he’s gone. In a Nova/Spencer team that isn’t available. You need an assist that’s strong enough to give Nova everything he needs and Bolts does that better than Beam since it’s active much longer. However, both assists work. I just think Bolts is better in this situation. It’s also better for Spencer I feel. But whatever. It’s all the same shit.
Personally I like Ironman over both Doom/Strange for Nova/Spencer.
He’s not that bad if you can do the tac infinite. If you play him second, a lockdown assist like ammy would really help him get his slow ass high/low game going. I think he can do 700k, so a dhc will kill some characters. Tony is not that bad.
There’s not much i can respond to here because i’d just be echoing Marvelo, but if you want to take your line of thinking about optimising the whole team down its path, you’re ignoring my other point, which is that Spencer/Bolts is exponentially better than Spencer/Plasma.
Also, i really don’t think there’s much to choose between Strange and Doom, assistless, which they essentially both would be once Nova dies, Spencer alive or not. I think Strange actually wins more matchups.
Damage is the team’s only real problem, but if you can link Super Nova you don’t need to worry about the DHC. You can also use red life to extend combos and get a million. And off of air throws and crumples (which with “my” tech you can hit confirm into fairly easily) you can tag into Doom and do 1.1.
But yeah, I do end up going for TAC’s, TAC resets, and regular resets quite a bit. And Hulk is pringles as fuck if you force him to air tech. He has no option but to take the block.
Strange is a lot better than you guys might think, as long as you can plink dash really fast on the ground. As for the Strange vs Doom argument, I think they are even. Doom got better rush down and air control but the book is a dangerous super that forces your opponent play honestly that can’t be over looked. Damage wise they are even, Doom got better conversion off throws but he doesn’t have a move like teleport, EoA, mystic sword or counter super.
Air superman dhc into book to punish stuff is under used, its a 1 frame punish that leads to death with xfactor, and I would say thats better than anything Doom can do with meter.
To me the top 5 Nova teams are in order:
Nova/Spencer/Strange
Nova/Doom/Vergil
Nova/Doom/Strider
Nova/Doom/Ammy
Nova/Spencer/Doom or Nova/Strange/Ammy (Spencer/Doom is probably slightly better, because of damage, but I think Strange/Ammy have far better neutral overall so I can’t choose between them)