Haggar is great for Nova if you have trouble keeping up defensively. But holy shit you do not want that team against ZMC and definitely not against MorriDoom. You’re basically offering up Haggar as a sacrifice for level 3 Hawkeye.
How come you didn’t give Doom/Ammy a shot? Doom beam and their THC can help a lot in that matchup.
I will, Idk why i didnt at 1st
1,2 and 3 easily sound like the best options for me, they are all good shells in their own right and both characters support Nova well, 2 and 3 have better anchors so they are less front loaded though. Personally I feel Doom is the best horizontal assist for Nova, not just for the beam itself but everything else he brings into the team, very solid character, raw tags after throws, and on the second slot great dhc and tac options. Plus I actually like his beam better than IM’s abd Tasjy’s arrows myself.
One team I am looking into myself right now is Nova/Dante/Doom Dante is like a ghetto Ammy really, but with better vertical coverage, you get lockdown for mixups as well, and you can go for thc shenanigans too. The team might run better with Dante anchor, but I for one am not comfortable with Dante in the back, while Doom is not an stellar anchor himself I feel better with him than Dante on the last spot. Overall I like this team better than the Ammy version, although I wouldnt go so far as to say its better. Dante can also be raw tagged in after throws, and you can chose to go weasel/ missiles or jam/beam as needed. Dante is not as good against zoning like Ammy though, so all in all I think its a tradeoff, but as far as damage output goes I feel you can crank it up higher with Dante than Ammy, though Im still in the process of finding optimal combos and dhcs to get the most damage possible. Im thinking of something along the lines of super nova soft knockdown, devil trigger, catch them wtih lightning before they fall, not sure if hs is too high to get the spin charge into s for a hard knockdown, volcano, beehive, million dollars follow up though,
I used to run Nova/Dante/Strange but then switched the latter two’s order, it’s alot better (IMO) for your team aswell. Jam Session is one of the best assists in the game and it’s a crime from taking it away from 92% of the cast. Anyway, the most damaging DHC from Nova to Dante is simply Grounded Grav Blaster (pause) DHC Million dollars. It does good damage but you also use your red health, sadly theirs no REAL alternate besides an early DHC from Super nova to million dollars. That’s why I don’t think Dante should really follow nova unless he has to (I love you @Marvelo ). The DT DHCs are pretty ass because Dante’s scaling is like incredibly low. Sadly, it’s not even like Stalker Flare where you would DHC into it if you need just a little bit more damage because you have to DHC so early from super nova to connect a follow up that you lose significant damage.
The extension I use with Nova/Jam is (flight/trip H combo into jS) fH sS+Call Dante SJC Energy Javilien (Dante hits) Cent Rush M Cent Rush H SJC Super Nova. The last Cent Rush can be omittied if you want to go straight into Grav Blaster. I don’t think there is a better alternative extension to this so I’d use it. Plus it’s pretty easy!
Finally, I think teams 2+3 are best (by a significant amount). Quick question though. Who fits Nova/x/Sent? Kinda wanna play around with that team. I’d hate to run Doom because Doom/Sent loses to too many things… Also don’t think I wanna run Spencer or Task on that team. Maybe Nova/Sent/x would be best for me… Any suggestions for that shell? I was thinking Akuma.
Thinking of putting nova on point for my dormammu team. Any tips? I think flame carpet plus novas over head should make for some nice block strings and i can get 900k+ easily with a 2 meter combo dhc. Who should i run anchor? Right now its between Dante and Doom.
Edit: my bad, doctor strange is also an option. Basically i want an assist that also helps with Dorm zoning and nova rush down
Doom beams
Can combo off both air throws which gives bonus points
Ooh! Do Nova/Dorm/Strange! I’m literally labbing that team starting today.
Also, most likely you can get way more than 900k on a Dorm combo with those two assists, sometimes for one meter rather than two. I think the maximum Dorm combo for one meter here would be around 1 mill, not sure if Centurion Rush differs heavily from launcher slam in that way.
Dorm/Strange is wonderful, and probly my favorite shell to play, though be careful about dedicated rushdown teams. The zoning is wonderful, though. Actually, the teleport mixups are pretty godlike too. I’m new to putting Nova there, but it should work great. Dark Hole to keep them still for instant overheads, bolts for getting in.
I find a problem with that shell when I’m up against people who just go in all day with no regard for anything else, Wolvy, X-23 and the like. Strange can’t be called immediately to save you, and when your first assist is not a great get-off-me (centurion rush, or in my usual case launcher slam), a good tactic is to backwards tridash with Dorm while j.L’ing each time before you hit the ground. It slows them down considerably, and occasionally you get free confirms off it. As soon as you get space you can call bolts and teleport, then go on the offensive for a few seconds, and disengage or set up a better posotion for zoning if it fails.
Also, just thinking out loud here, wouldn’t it work to kill with a stalking flare, lay a flame carpet, tag strange, then as they fall and block the flame carpet call Nova, dash up and do a low? Or would there be a way to get out of that?
They’re all great choices… Strange bolts are great, and Duke^ seems to really like the shell, but I think Doom and Dante are more versatile. They can both combo off of Nova’s air throws for big damage, but the problem is you’re going to be running them last so it might muck with your team order if you have to DHC to Dormammu. Overall you’re gonna have to give Nova a horizontal assist so I think Doom is the best bet. Dorm is great with a beam too so that should work nicely.
I tried a similar team with Sentinel in the back, and while I think it’s a fun shell it’s not a particularly strong one. Liberation assist combos with Nova and Stalking Flare DHC combos are pretty sweet.
From what I’ve labbed (albeit not much), a decent Nova combo (I’m doing j.H loops into a basic bolts extension) into stalking flare DHC gets 1.27 mill off the third meter used, but it gains quite a lot of meter to make up for how much it uses.
Doom and Dante do have better throw conversions, yeah, but Dorm can tag in. Currently I have 720k after a chaotic flame, before DHC, off corner air throws. The timing is a bit tricky, though, as you have a very small window to call strange and then flame carpet before the opponent gets up.
Play who you know among those that work with Nova/Dorm, probably any decent beam or good horizontal projectile, and any combination will be pretty sweet.
Thanks, and yeah Duke my current combo is Nova DHC into Dorm for 1 mil if your fast at charging spells. Basic bnb j.H, M, H, S, j.Hxxfly, M,M,H,S, land dp+L, dp+atk atk DHC Stalking Flare, charge one red and one blue then unleash it and it gets you 900-1mill+ Pretty easy combo for 2 meters and a kill on most of the cast. Of course you need to be somewhat close to the corner by the time you dhc so it connects.
I’ll have to play around with the unblockable set ups some more.
My problem is that I don’t really have a 3rd and aqm trying to figure out which character is worth me learning the most.
I started learning Dante for Jam Session and got his basic bnb down ok (not too great), but the problem is that if I do this I have no horizontal coverage or a way to get characters like Hawkeye (unless gravimetric pulse has enough durability to take a hit or 2 from Hawkeye?). But it does help keep those rush down characters away and gives enough time to charge spells while keeping them out of the air.
Doom is pretty easy and I can run missiles or beam depending on match up, but I don’t like him as anchor and he gets boring to play as.
Doctor Strange, I need to learn FoF loops, but he’s great anchor with meter and x factor. Bolts works for Nova and it is a semi lock down assist for Dorm allowing him to charge up spells and do teleport mix ups.
Oh, by the way, another good thing to have in your pocket with Nova/Dorm, end a combo with fH s.S into j.H Nova Force. DHC to Stalking flare, teleport H, j.S, Nova and flame carpet, dark matter twice, dark hole, super.
There’s time to charge a spell if you’re quick, but honestly I’m trying to keep it simple for now.
I like Nova/Doom/Vergil alot but its not really One Touch Kill at all. Off an air throw I can kill you if you happen to be in the corner and the right size character, but off a solid hit, I think I do 938k, which is nice for a DHC but I need something that can kill Cap or more for 2 meters off of any hit, throw, situation, etc. So Im going to play Nova/Spencer/Doom full time and maybe play Magneto/Doom/Vergil on the side of that so I can still play with the Doom/Vergil shell that I have come to love and get every inch of damage and neutral game that I can get from Doom/Vergil.
so, I really like Nova with missiles…shit I’ll just say I like Nova and Doom together in general. I have Taskmaster there because he’s my most solid character by far.
So my question to you guys is, is there a better team out there than Nova/Task/Doom that kind of works around the same plan? I’m pretty comfortable with the team but I’m down to experiment haha
I tried running Nova Doom Sent like I mentioned before but there’s no real vertical control there…I use Plasma Beam. (then again, why do I need it when I have E Javelins lol)
I just realized someone will probably mention Nova/Doom/Strider. I gave that a shot, and my Strider is bunz. I guess I am way too used to working with Doom as my anchor : /
basically what are some top tier Nova/Missiles teams to screw around with…pretty much, that’s what I’m looking for.
What exactly is your gameplan?
I’d list more Nova/missiles teams but they’re few and far between since he’s much better with plasma beam. For instance, it doesn’t make sense for me to use missiles because Ammy doesn’t provide a horizontal assist, which Nova needs. So if I use missiles I’d have to replace her with a horizontal assist or work with a suboptimal team. Or I could just play plasma beam. The only one I can even remember is Falcomist’s Nova/Dorm/Doom missiles team that I believe he abandoned because it wasn’t working out.
That said, I think you definitely have the best available Nova/missiles team. As long as you can either kill with 2-3 bars or find a way to TAC into Doom using Task’s assist right before the tag, it’s really efficient and gives Nova something most teams don’t, which is the ability to zone. Other characters that might work in Task’s position would be Hawkeye, Iron Man, and Sentinel.
@UntitledScrub
Thats a shame about the DT dhcs then, never really got to try out the team further since Ive been busy with other stuff, but that was pretty much the main reason I was interested in it, figured if the damage could be cranled up high enough it would make for an awesome team with two amazing neutral assists, too bad really. As for the Nova/Sent thing, first thing I thought of was Spencer, second was Doom, so with those two options out its kinda tricky, I suppose you could try Infrit’s new team of Mags/Nova./Sent, other than that I think Strange, Ammy or Dante could all have about the same potential as Akuma on that team but nothing really jumps out as an “optimal” team.
@Shack
My personal preference is Doom, but thats mostly because I dont like Strange and I dont feel comfortable with Dante anchor, so that may not apply to you.
If you really want to use Dante you could run him with Weasel shot instead of Jam session, unless jam session really is the sole reason you want to use him, but since youre already running Dormy I think a horizontal assist is a must on your third character.
Doom offers versatility in assist choice, but again I find it hard to think of a time when Nova wouldnt prefer the beam assist over the missiles since Dormy doesnt offer the horizontal coverage. Plus if Doom really bores you youll probably be better off not using him, actively using a character you dont like can be counter productive, at least to me anyways.
Strange is not a character I can talk much about since I dont like him and therefore know next to nothing about, but we all know how good the FoF loops are, as well as bolts, and Ive seen him used to great effect with Dormy by the guy who regularly kicks my ass online, though that was with orb not bolts, and while I may be mistaken I think he makes a better anchor than Doom.
So all in all I think the best option is Strange, I would use him myself but as I said I dont like him and dont feel using characters you dont like helps you in the long run, otherwise Id probably still be running Spencer.
@-Limit-
I actually think as far as Nova/missiles go that might be as good as it gets since Tasky provides an amazing horizontal assist of his own while benefitting a lot from missiles for his zoning game while getting combo extensions as well. Only other options I can think of are replacements for the horizontal coverage like Dante, Iron Man or Hawkeye, and I dont feel any of those really does a better job than Tasky. And since you already tried and didnt like sent the only one I can think of that might make a better team is Strange, either Nova/Strange/Doom or Nova/Doom/Strange sound like they could work pretty well, bolts is always great for nova and I think Doom would really like them himself, much as Strange would appreciate the missiles. Strange in the back would provide an arguably better anchor, but if youre used to Doom last you can keep him in the middle and the team still works. You can also get massive damage off of fof loops, raw tagging doom and infinites. THCs should be damaging and fast as well, just too fast for any thc shenanigans though, and both assists stay out a long time so the danger of getting sniped is high, but if you want to experiment that might be a place to start.
On a somewhat unrelated note, I was thinking about it today and I feel currently these are the best Nova teams, so I wanted to know what you guys thought:
Nova/Doom/Ammy
Nova/Doom/Strider
Nova/Vergil/Strange
Nova/Spencer/Strange
I feel the first two offer Nova the best neutral game while the last two offer him the most possible damage output, while the two middle ones are the most balanced in terms of point/assist/anchor and neutral/damage respectively. An honorary fifth place might go to a frank team but I coudlnt think of what would be its optimal form. At any rate I feel that currently these four are probably the best possible Nova teams, what do you guys think? Am I off the mark here or does that sound about right?
Edit: I hate your name -Limit- -_-;
I play Nova Dorm Strider and been liking this team. Ran some sets with 1tk LXG HELIX on LXG stream the other day lemme know what u guys think?
http://www.twitch.tv/mirrorhelix/b/379559684 my matches are around the 1 hour mark.
the best Frank/Nova team would have Dante IMO
That’s my opinion too, was thinking Nova/Frank(cart)/Dante(Jam) but I really dont know enough about Frank’s tech/tricks and Im iffy about both Dante anchor and the lack of a full horizontal assist for Nova. Also considered Nova/Frank/Strange, use FoF to help level up Frank and get the benefit of the bolts, but again no idea on Frank so I didnt feel confident enough to say either one makes the cut as the fifth place in the current top 5 Nova teams, though I do believe that fifth place does go some variation of a Frank team.
I don’t think a Frank team would be regarded as one of the top 5 Nova teams.
Frank does lose to some keepaway. I agree a horizontal beam would work wonders much like Apologyman running Plasma Beam.
Im pretty scrubby so dont put too much stock in my opinion. However, what I got from watching your matches was that Dormammu, seemed to be your stronger character, and you had a good Strider, but your Nova seemed to struggle, and the problem was that once you lost him it seemed to cause a snowball effect. I didnt see you make too many big mistakes or get happy birthday’ed, and your Dormy looked good. I think the biggest reason you were losing those matches was that you were playing them all one on one, didnt see you use too many assists and when you did you didnt get much out of them. So my opinion is that your team lacks synergy, which is why your Nova struggled, you put up a good fight against Magneto after the first few matches, but you didnt have anything to really help you get in or open him up, so eventually your Nova kept dying early, and while you put up a better fight with Dormy the same thing ended happening until Strider was alone and he only managed to mount a comeback once from what I saw. I can see hwy you would like the team as you seem to be good with all three characters individually, but as a team I didnt see them do anything to really help each other out.
Now this may just be personal preference, but I think a horizontal assist would help you out a lot, the few times you did get in with Nova in the matches you lost you missed the kill so an assist to help insure that kill would probably be a good thing too, Dormy can do that, but I feel Liberation is better to combo than dark hole, which is not as good of a lockdown as it should be imo. Since Dormy seemed to be your best character I woudl suggest replacing Strider with an horizontal assist, since Dormy can bring in the damage himself, and I dont see him getting as much out of Strider as Nova or Doom might, but, given your name I assume youd like to keep using Strider, in which case Doom or maybe Dante with weasel shot could be a better fit for the second slot.
Im not telling you to change your team though, but overall my opinion was that you were playing well, but your team wasnt working well together and thats what ended up costing you the matches. But like I said, Im a scrub, so what do I know.
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Hmm, well admittedly I dont know enough about Frank, and I coudlnt really think of a team that jumped out at me like top 5 material, but felt the potential was there, just coudlnt really figure it out myself, which is why I just stuck to what I considered to be the top 4 teams instead, so while you may be right I still think it could find its way there, but its just theory fighting really.