Didn’t cr.mk have a little more range on it in vanilla, I can’t seem to remember.
Actually I don’t get it why people here “whine” so much about these adjustments!
I mean, Bison is at the moment one of the top tier guys, and there are chars which would need some serious buffs, but don’t get 'em.
And look at El Fuerte for example, he just got tons of nervs, this guys was mid tier at best, now…
Bison has no hurtbox on his legs during regular PC (ex does). Considering this, if you do it deeply during their wakeup, you can:
0 - Fake Psycho
1 - Avoid reversals and hit regular - safe if blocked
2 - Avoid reversals and hit crossup - safe if blocked
3 - take reversals and hit crossup - safe if blocked
Scissors LK-> LP Psycho = fake psycho or meaty psycho (+2 adv). Good against those who like to backdash
Scissors LK-> MP Psycho (not a rule) = evades/destroys reversals. Unsafe if blocked.
Scissors LK -> HP Psycho (not a rule) = Crossup Psycho. “safe”
Close Knockdown -> Late Psycho = Crossup. Hittable by some reversals. EX Psycho, EX Headbutt are stuffed because of Bison’s extended leg hitbox. "Safe"
Close Knockdown -> Deep Calculated Timed Psycho = Hits in front of the enemy. Reversals will whiff or be stuffed. Crosses up. Looks like an unblockable, but is not. "Safe"
Close Knockdown -> Meaty Psycho = Hits in front of the enemy. Reversals will whiff or be stuffed. “Safe”
As for close knockdown…
1 - Psycho not crossing
2 - Slide
3 - Scissors unteched and slide to get close
4 - Psycho unteched and slide to get close
5 - U2 (everything possible if Bison is in the corner, otherwise, only deep meaty is possible)
I wrote “safe” because what makes PC safe in some situations it Deep meaty psycho hiting first regular then crossup. Bison’s legs pushes the enemy and he’s somewhat safe. I’ve tested some stuff like Ryu’s super, Dhalsim’s S.hp… Bison got OK.
–It’s possible to simulate these setups with J.MP->very late Cr.Mp cancelled into Psycho LP-HP as well
It had a lot more range.
Bison is top tier in theory only. When a Bison player wins something of significance let me know. As a matter of fact, when a best of the world status player dominates with Bison, let me know. We applaud Andre for beating Daigo. Why? Even though Daigo is one of the best in the world, it’s still a 6-4 matchup. Even then, no other Bison can beat him. Then you have him losing to rogs, feis, cammys, etc.
Bison is a great character. Definitely top tier, but only in a broad sense. He’s difficult to use effectively and you aren’t really rewarded for using him. He beats up the garbage characters pretty handily and he has excellent tools, but he doesn’t have anything abusable and relies on other people to make mistakes to do mediocre damage. You have to outplay your opponent as there aren’t really “accidental wins” with Bison.
It’s actually pretty sad that the best way to play Bison (lame) is the opposite of what the outside perspective of Bison is (rushdown/offensive monster). Factor in the fact that Bison doesn’t really have amazing tools for laming people out (not Honda/Rog/Guile worthy anyway) and you have a complex character that’s harder than advertised.
Cody’s new 3-frame c.lk is going to make that matchup noticeably more difficult imo.
but he deserves it…
He probably does in his other matchups, but he didn’t vs Bison, imo. The matchup was momentum based, and seemed fairly even, especially once Cody got U2.
We can do something about it…
What about his U2? Punishes EX Psycho?
Thanks for the long and good post! Maybe you are right, but still, there are much much worse characters than Bison! People still love to play with them.
Yeah, and it’s not even supposed to be done as a reversal. U2 also punishes teleport. b.mp can beat ex headstomp/dr, or he can slide to make dr whiff. Once he has U2, Bison is just as free on wakeup as Cody is to Bison.
Cody could guess and hop over c.lk, but that would get stuffed by Bison’s other pokes. With a 3-frame normal, c.lk becomes a brain-dead choice, and stops Bison’s momentum cold.
But getting Cody off of Bison is not easy. 
Yeah, and it’s not even supposed to be done as a reversal. U2 also punishes teleport. b.mp can beat ex headstomp/dr, or he can slide to make dr whiff. Once he has U2, Bison is just as free on wakeup as Cody is to Bison.
Right now, cody has to guess to hop over c.lk, but that would get stuffed by Bison’s other pokes. With a 3-frame normal, c.lk becomes a brain-dead choice, and stops Bison’s momentum cold.
But getting Cody off of Bison is not easy.
We’ll have to wait and see if the Bison changes will affect the matchup.
I see…
nice matchup then. It’s getting pretty 5-5 on AE then…which is a good thing
Looks like the Honda matchup just got a lot easier
Nerfed damage + no jab headbutt AA
U1 will completely own EX-Crusher though, but who does that full screen on Honda?
Looks like Honda’s U2 isn’t that bad for Bison match up either. 2f startup and HCB motions.
I’m not seeing a significant change in Honda that can make the match up for Dictator THAT much easier. Headbutts will still beat pretty much everything, and if they would’ve gave his EX moves even a little nerf, I could see a bit of a change, but right now, I don’t see any major changes.
No anti-air lp headbutt means it’ll be similar to the Rufus matchup. RTSD when he has no meter.
Now its possible to land random EX Psycho against Random LP Headbutt as well.
I’m pretty sure they’ll leave lp headbutt’s projectile invulnerability on startup, so it’ll still stuff EX crusher.
Oh, yeah, one thing that has really been annoying me lately, Rose U2 against ambiguous Psycho Crusher cross ups. lol.
Good bye to that.
Looks like Abel match got a bit easier. Less damage output on Tornado throw and U1 means Bison doesn’t autogib once Abel gets in. His other changes don’t seem particularly relevant.
Nothing really seems to have changed vs Blanka, as Balls were punishable on block anyhow. Harder for Blanka to get out of the corner maybe, but I already tended to back off once he had ultra anyway.
The other characters got buffs, but hard to tell which are relevant to the match, since I’ve never played any of those matches (Gen?)
And Rose is free on wakeup again. RTSD.
edit: uh, Makoto can tigerknee her EX axe-kick, which is an overhead and knocksdown. That sounds ridiculous against Bison, GG